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daredman
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I have a question for Florida Philgif you’re interested in sharing your opinion regarding Harrah’s Cherokee and Murphy. I don’t want to put you on the spot publicly whether good or bad so if you could email me at daredman@hotmail.com I would appreciate it. I’m reaching out since I know you play the same games I play and I know you’re one of the few in this neck of the woods.

I’m really just trying to discern whether or not these two casinos are fair or if they are cheating the players.

Thanks

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If "fair" means random, I have never seen any video poker machine that I believed was rigged.    I believe the VP games in Cherokee and Murphy are fair.  I have no personal experience that would indicate these casinos are cheating their players. 

Cherokee used to have better odds than most east coast casinos.  They reduced them a few years back and now they are just average.   Murphy is terrible.  Most of their players are driving up from Atlanta for a day of fun and could care less about odds.   Murphy is close to our summer home in the mountains, so we play there once in a while.  Murphy looks like a big metal warehouse with no atmosphere.  I suspect they have plans to expand it in the future.  The best way to play negative VP games is to play them slow, small and run out with your wins.    I never play VP in Murphy for longer than two hours.   I am ahead of them at the moment and I want to keep it that way.

Cherokee is a nice casino.  It's in a beautiful part of the mountains and worth a visit.  The VP odds in Cherokee are better at higher denominations, but still negative.  I don't think the odds are worth the risk of playing bigger than quarters.

If you use game odds as your only criteria for visiting a casino, you are missing out on some nice experiences.  If great odds are all you are looking for, fly to Vegas and play at South Point or Red Rock where they have full pay games.    If you want a nice vacation where gambling is part of the fun but not all of it, play where you like.  

Good VP odds are not the only thing I look for in a casino resort.  This forum has some members who are obsessed with odds and math.   That's not a bad thing, it's just not my thing.   I want to play at casinos with great views, terrific food, outstanding service, friendly people, well maintained machines and managers who will take the time to see that I am having a good time.  Those kinds of casinos don't necessarily have the best VP.


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Cherokee is a nice casino.  It's in a beautiful part of the mountains and worth a visit.  The VP odds in Cherokee are better at higher denominations, but still negative.  I don't think the odds are worth the risk of playing bigger than quarters.

  Cherokee has excellent $5 games --- and the promotions definitely make them positive. Not everybody is capable of figuring out how to do this, but a number of very smart players do quite well there.If you wish to win, probably the worst games to play there are for quarters.

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[quote=BobDancer]Not everybody is capable of figuring out how to do this, but a number of very smart players do quite well there.[/quote]If you think it's "smart" to gamble $25 a hand playing VP, by all means do it.There are lots of smart people who play quarter VP.  They don't sweat big bankroll swings.  They don't worry about taxes or audits.  They play VP free from depression and guilt.  They still get "free stuff".  Once in a while, they win money.  Even if they don't their losses are minimal.  High rollers are not smarter, they just have more money.


















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The VP odds in Cherokee are better at higher denominations, but still negative.  I don't think the odds are worth the risk of playing bigger than quarters.
There are, obviously, some people who have the bankroll, knowledge and desire to play higher denominations who disagree with you. Why do you have such a problem with that?

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[quote=onemoretry]There are, obviously, some people who have the bankroll, knowledge and
desire to play higher denominations who disagree with you. Why do you
have such a problem with that?
[/quote]I don't have a problem with whatever someone else wants to do with their own money.  I am not playing VP with Mr. Dancer's money.   I am risking mine and I don't believe the risk is worth what I could gain from playing $25 a hand in Cherokee.I do not like the inference that one player is smarter than another because he/she is willing to risk playing $25 a hand and another is not.  Correlating intelligence with risk aversion is nonsense.  There are many video poker players who could afford to play $5 games that choose to play quarters.   I would bet Mr. Dancer knows a few personally.   The question I was asked was "Are the games in Cherokee fair?"  I think they are.  Should you play $25 a hand so you can play positive games?   Not with my money... 
















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I don't have a problem with whatever someone else wants to do with their own money.  I am not playing VP with Mr. Dancer's money.   I am risking mine and I don't believe the risk is worth what I could gain from playing $25 a hand in Cherokee.I do not like the inference that one player is smarter than another because he/she is willing to risk playing $25 a hand and another is not.  Correlating intelligence with risk aversion is nonsense.  There are many video poker players who could afford to play $5 games that choose to play quarters.   I would bet Mr. Dancer knows a few personally.   The question I was asked was "Are the games in Cherokee fair?"  I think they are.  Should you play $25 a hand so you can play positive games?   Not with my money... 















As you alluded to in the second half of your post (but not the first) it isn't about playing $25, it's about having an edge.Playing $25 would be STUPIDER than playing quarters, if the pay tables were both negative.So your inference about the inference is inadequate.But you're certainly right about $5 play not being for everyone, no matter the pay table.




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Post by Tedlark »

In the original post did the author make the suggestion that FP email them privately to share his thoughts on the fairness of the games at Harrah's Cherokee and Murphy?

To me, a public forum answer would have been a very simple yes or no and a private emailed answer would have been more in line with what FP went on to post on 4/24.

Otherwise FP was just opening the door.

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.I do not like the inference that one player is smarter than another because he/she is willing to risk playing $25 a hand and another is not. 
I believe the term smart was meant to apply to persons having the ability to evaluate various promotions and other opportunities that turn a slightly negative play into a positive one.

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Post by billryan »

   You didn't think phil would pass up an opportunity to take a shot at Dancer, did you?
It's inherent in his nature.

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