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Re: Off Strip Local Casinos

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When MSS opened back up they still had the 10/7/5 DB near the south entrance. A week later it was gone. There are only 2 - 10/6 DDB on the floor now near the Triple 7 on one of the 50 cent banks. The 9/6 coin-in quarter progressives are gone. They still have the 8/5 10 coin in DDB quarters near the cashier cage and the 8/5 $1 DDB progressives against the east wall near the north entrance (and the 6/5 nickel 10 coin in on the same wall but south of the main street entrance). They still have 9/6 DDB, 8/5 BP and 9/7/5 DP on some quarter and up machines and some multi play machines. The "fish tickets" are now done on the machine and that is only for a quad. SF and RF do not get the quad bonus anymore, and they are also not available on multi-play machines.

All Vegas casinos have drastically tightened their belts as they reported record breaking profits for 2021 and will continue to do even more for 2022. They are collectively raking in over $1 Billion per month. The latest technology has also allowed casinos to tighten up all VP regardless of payscale and still be in compliance with Gaming Control regulations.

Rampart totally butchered their players club for earning points. They used to have the best off strip players club in Vegas. Coin in for VP is now $2 for 1 point, 1000 points = $1 cash back unless you hold the top 2 players card levels which get 5x points (the way it was for everyone before the hammer came down). The lower of those 2 cards require a minimum of $400,000 coin in per 6 months.

Southpoint - if your coin out is higher than your coin in per 3 months of player eval, you get no mailer. You still get your 3 points per every $1 coin in which makes it the best for point earning for off strip casinos. You still get your free play on Tues - Thurs but you have to go there and stick your card in a machine to see what you get.

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Sea Lion wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:43 pm
The latest technology has also allowed casinos to tighten up all VP regardless of payscale and still be in compliance with Gaming Control regulations.
Can you explain how that is done?

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Waiting4RF wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:54 pm
Sea Lion wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:43 pm
The latest technology has also allowed casinos to tighten up all VP regardless of payscale and still be in compliance with Gaming Control regulations.
Can you explain how that is done?
Software updates injected from a centralized server which requires the machine to be rebooted to take effect. The newer machines even seem to be harder to get a good hand on than the older machines. When Red Rock first opened, you could play all day on $100 on 10-play DDB nickels. Try that today and see how many minutes that $100 lasts.. Not saying the machines are outright rigged, but definitely much harder to survive on without an endless supply of shoeboxes stuffed with $100 bills... They need to stay one step ahead of us.

Just want to add that corporate greed is destroying LV. We are now just about on par with California as far as the cost of living goes - we were 60% cheaper just 7 - 8 years ago. Vegas is getting "Califoniaized" :x Only thing now is that we still don't have state income tax... yet.

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Is the paytable the same for DDB nickle 10 play? What was the original paytable? What is it now?

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:50 am
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Sea Lion wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:43 pm
The latest technology has also allowed casinos to tighten up all VP regardless of payscale and still be in compliance with Gaming Control regulations.
:roll:

That's hard to believe.

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Waiting4RF wrote:
Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:02 pm
Is the paytable the same for DDB nickle 10 play? What was the original paytable? What is it now?
In 2006 it was a 7/5 progressive. If you came in from the west parking lot and took the elevator down, you would walk directly into them shortly after you entered the building. You couldn't miss them. Not sure where they are at now, but I do know that I do play a lot and I mean a lot of 10 play nickels 9/6 DDB at SouthPoint and Rampart and for the most part a $100 bill in the 10 play nickels (50 play at SP playing 10 hands) will be devoured in no time. The quads just don't bite like they used to and if they do it is mostly 4-5's -K's. Dealt 4 to a flush or 4 to a straight is almost always a dead hand. Dealt trips almost all the time results in just that - dealt trips with no quad. Getting a dealt paying pair or better maybe 5% of the time. There might be a time when I actually come out ahead, but very rarely anymore. It's freaking crazy I tell ya, but Vegas has definitely tightened their belt. The technology used in the early 2000s probably allowed for better paying hands than it does now. Thats just my experience. I still play, but not as crazy as I was before.

During Rodeo last December there were thousands of cowpokes roaming the floor at SP thumbing their nose at security when they were asked to mask up but none were kicked off the property. Gaming Control must have turned a blind eye to this because of the $$$ that was generated and no complaints or fines lodged against SP. They sure were quick to hit Mohegan Sun (Old Hard Rock) and Sahara (reverted back from SLS) for mask violations and fines when they opened.. Has me wondering when VP starts getting knocked out of compliance with no accountability..

Don't let this stop anyone from coming here to have a good time, just be on top of your game and be careful not to sell your soul to Satan.. :o

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Sea Lion wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:34 am
The quads just don't bite like they used to and if they do it is mostly 4-5's -K's. Dealt 4 to a flush or 4 to a straight is almost always a dead hand. Dealt trips almost all the time results in just that - dealt trips with no quad. Getting a dealt paying pair or better maybe 5% of the time.
Of course.

The true odds are >20% but for you it's 5%. Totally believable.

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dinghy wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 12:12 pm
Sea Lion wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:34 am
The quads just don't bite like they used to and if they do it is mostly 4-5's -K's. Dealt 4 to a flush or 4 to a straight is almost always a dead hand. Dealt trips almost all the time results in just that - dealt trips with no quad. Getting a dealt paying pair or better maybe 5% of the time.
Of course.

The true odds are >20% but for you it's 5%. Totally believable.
I'm not one to argue with the math but you got to remember that probability is one thing and actually playing the machine is another. There are no guarantees on what you're going to get dealt and how the hands will play out. Maybe after playing for 27 years I'll finally get that coveted dealt royal on a 10 play tonight. I have had everything else dealt on 10-play or multi play, but not a royal. Only on single play at... MSS. I do still have hope.

Can't expect Vegas to loosen it's grip as they continue to rake in record casino profits, but is is really sad to see it go the way of corporate greed. Rents skyrocketing.. Tropicana and Mirage on the chopping block.. :x Yes I know it is a business, but still...

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Sea Lion wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:22 pm
I'm not one to argue with the math but you got to remember that probability is one thing and actually playing the machine is another. There are no guarantees on what you're going to get dealt and how the hands will play out.
Not sure how much of the forum you've been reading, but other members have techniques for beating the games that are giving you trouble. For example, you start off betting 1 cent, and then later you bet $50.

Or you only play the good machines. Then when the good machines go bad, you switch to the formerly bad machines that are now good.

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dinghy wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:56 pm
Sea Lion wrote:
Fri Feb 04, 2022 2:22 pm
I'm not one to argue with the math but you got to remember that probability is one thing and actually playing the machine is another. There are no guarantees on what you're going to get dealt and how the hands will play out.
Not sure how much of the forum you've been reading, but other members have techniques for beating the games that are giving you trouble. For example, you start off betting 1 cent, and then later you bet $50.

Or you only play the good machines. Then when the good machines go bad, you switch to the formerly bad machines that are now good.
It's probably been a year or so since I was last around here, so not much lately. Sometimes work gets in the way.. 8 more years until retirement! I do appreciate the advice. This has always been a good place to come to for VP. May the best of luck come your way on your next VP adventure! :up:

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