Attn billyjoe: Horseshoe Hammond

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Vman96
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Re: Attn billyjoe: Horseshoe Hammond

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Yeah, anytime 4 5's has a win total of "4000+" definitely looks nice. haha

I watched my neighbors win a lot at the casino tonight (ameristar st. charles). Couple W2Gs. One of them was some idiot playing TDB at $3/hand. He hit AWAK for exactly $1200. He gets $4000 if he bets max...

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FYI, the cycle for picking the Joker is 1 in 14,578 hands. So you'd like to have at least 3 of them by the 40k hand mark.Vman - how did you come up with the joker every 14,578 hands amount?My calculation is close.  I'm just curious as to the math you used.I figure you get a joker once every 53 bonus cards.  And I think it takes slightly over 15,000 hands to get 53 bonus cards.  I'm interested in your calculation.Thanks

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[QUOTE=Vman96]FYI, the cycle for picking the Joker is 1 in 14,578 hands. So you'd like to have at least 3 of them by the 40k hand mark.Vman - how did you come up with the joker every 14,578 hands amount?My calculation is close.  I'm just curious as to the math you used.I figure you get a joker once every 53 bonus cards.  And I think it takes slightly over 15,000 hands to get 53 bonus cards.  I'm interested in your calculation.Thanks[/QUOTE]Nevermind - I was using normal 7/5 BP strategy instead of ultimate 4-of-a-kind strategy.  I match your number.

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[QUOTE=joechgo]
[QUOTE=Vman96]FYI, the cycle for picking the Joker is 1 in 14,578 hands. So you'd like to have at least 3 of them by the 40k hand mark.Vman - how did you come up with the joker every 14,578 hands amount?My calculation is close.  I'm just curious as to the math you used.I figure you get a joker once every 53 bonus cards.  And I think it takes slightly over 15,000 hands to get 53 bonus cards.  I'm interested in your calculation.Thanks[/QUOTE]Nevermind - I was using normal 7/5 BP strategy instead of ultimate 4-of-a-kind strategy.  I match your number.[/QUOTE]

Yep, the strategy shift definitely produces more quads/bonuses.

It shifts even more for 6/5 Bonus Poker. You're supposed to break ALL full houses in that version jumping the quad probability to 1 in 407.9. And that keeps the game above 99% (99.09%).

The reason I bring that up is that my g/f's family and I made an impromptu trip to Horseshoe Hammond this afternoon. Sorry I couldn't give more notice. And I decide to take a $20 stab at 6/5 Bonus for quarters. Fail. Thought about bumping it up to the dollars for the next $20, but I am poor and chickened out. So more quarters. Few hands later...





Holding just one card!!! Burned about $20 more trying to hit another one, but still up $65.

Also, "full pay" Deal/Draw for dollars is back on All Star II machines! But it's only 9/6 JoB, 9/7 DB, and 9/6 DDB. No 9/7 TDB though, billyjoe.      

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Congrats VManWhat's the payback % on those full pay deal/draw machines?  I've heard that although the "draw" paybacks can be full pay, that there is quite a house advantage on the "deal" paybacks.Also, I've been looking at the 4-of-a-kind bonus poker inventory on this website.  It says it's at Bellagio.  Do you think Bellagio has the 7/5 BP version at 99.96%?


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Congrats VManWhat's the payback % on those full pay deal/draw machines?  I've heard that although the "draw" paybacks can be full pay, that there is quite a house advantage on the "deal" paybacks.Also, I've been looking at the 4-of-a-kind bonus poker inventory on this website.  It says it's at Bellagio.  Do you think Bellagio has the 7/5 BP version at 99.96%?



Thanks! I definitely was pumped about it.

Meh, I really should have snapped the shot of the 99.54% JoB table. But in my haste I did not (when I checked the tables, my group was supposed to leave). I did a couple of months ago when it was on the stand-alones for dollars though.

IF the deal paytable looks like this:
Royal/SF/4K/FH/FL/Str8/3K/2P/JoB/5oB
60000/2500/500/225/110/60/35/20/10/5

Then the game pays 99.66% overall. BUT, the dealt Royal at $60k a pop is worth 0.92%, and is the bulk of your variance. Ask billyjoe and tedlark more about that...lucky SOBs...

As for Bellagio, eh, I think 7/5 Bonus would be a miracle. But I might hold out hope for 6/5 Bonus or things like 8/5 DDB, or 8/5 JoB. All these bad looking paytables are >99% in the single-hand version. Now if they have the multi-hand game, the bonus game is weakened and you basically want to find the same paytable you'd wish to play normally.    (i.e. 9/6 DDB, 9/6 JoB, 9/7 DB, and 8/5 Bonus are near 100% in that order). Deuces games are not worth playing in the multihand game.

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Thanks for the info.  I will check out the paytables in the next week or two.I agree on the variance on the dealt royal.  Since it takes 650,000 hands to get a dealt royal, it will take forever to get the full 99.66% return.I've played tons of video poker, and I've never had a dealt royal (or a royal on a 5-card redraw).


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[QUOTE=joechgo]
Then the game pays 99.66% overall. BUT, the dealt Royal at $60k a pop is worth 0.92%, and is the bulk of your variance. Ask billyjoe and tedlark more about that...lucky SOBs...

As for Bellagio, eh, I think 7/5 Bonus would be a miracle. But I might hold out hope for 6/5 Bonus or things like 8/5 DDB, or 8/5 JoB. [/QUOTE]
Hey, VMan - getting a dealt RF on Deal/Draw (aka DoublePay) is pure skill. Didn't you know that ?

As for Bellagio, there is ONE DoublePay multi-line machine on the floor that I have found (or at least it was still there on my last trip in April/2014) that has 9/7 TDB at the $1 denom. I am not sure about the paytables for the other games or denoms. That's the one that I play when I am there.

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Post by joechgo »

Sounds like you found a machine that nobody else knows about. That game (at $1) isnt listed on vpfree2

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Meh, I really should have snapped the shot of the 99.54% JoB table. But in my haste I did not (when I checked the tables, my group was supposed to leave). I did a couple of months ago when it was on the stand-alones for dollars though.

IF the deal paytable looks like this:
Royal/SF/4K/FH/FL/Str8/3K/2P/JoB/5oB
60000/2500/500/225/110/60/35/20/10/5

Then the game pays 99.66% overall. BUT, the dealt Royal at $60k a pop is worth 0.92%, and is the bulk of your variance. Ask billyjoe and tedlark more about that...lucky SOBs...

.Vman -I was at the Horseshoe last night, loking for the deal/draw machines.  The ones on the main floor are still the 5 cent - 50 cent lower paytables and I didn't see the dollar machines on the main floor or the high limit room.  Perhaps they moved/changed them again?

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