Horseshoe In Tunica for video poker??

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Re: Horseshoe In Tunica for video poker??

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omt, correct me if i am wrong, but i believe you are from north of the border.
You are correct, I am Canadian.

As for the balance of your post, I would caution you that is just as important to assess the credibility of sources of information on issues such as the Tar Sands, as it is on more mundane things such as achievements playing video poker.[/QUOTE]
 my post was not intended to offend and i have no expertise on the tar sands. i only know the little bit i have read about it. i would truely welcome being corrected. i am always willing to learn. as far as VP achievements or the complexity of tar sands, both involve money and jobs. but, even if my analogy was wrong i stand by the premise that governments and communities will overlook, modify or change rules if it helps in their survival. there are so many on this site who have no problem quesioning government positions on gun control, war in iraq, immigration enforcement or giving breaks to big corporations, but they believe casinos are 100% above board. if tunica were indeed in a death spiral and some modification of computer programming were available that would help casino profits, while staying within the spirit of randomness, i can see it being approved. if there were a legal way to include VP within the same category as slots, i could see that happening. 

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NotesI have been reading your posts for a long time and they all come around to the same thing. And that is that the casinos are not offering a fair game.  You always back down when someone asks you if they are fixed or rigging the game. Yet you say things have changed (and if that is not saying things are rigged then what the hell are you trying to say)You also always look for someone to agree with you OR you will read their posts and slant it to your way of thinking. IF you so strongly believe things are nor right...why the hell would you even play??I assume you get your ass handed to you while playing VP so you are always looking for an out...like it can't be me....the game must be fixed.I play VP all over the country and I truly believe I probably play more than anyone on this site  (of course no way of proving that) Anyway I am now 63 and have played since 1990 and guess what....my results have not changed at all. Yes I have bad years and yes I have good years. My last 5 years are no different than they were in the 90s. Sure pay tables have changed for the worse....but the game is still the same.I know I am coming down hard on you but man just go back and read your last 200 replies....they are all the same. Also your dislike for Dancer clouds your thinking.I know you will have lots to say to this and I could probably write your reply for you. Time for you to give up VP.


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case, if someone sent you a post like you sent me, i would guess you would reply. let's start with your assumption i am a big time loser at vp or any casino game. no one has been more open about their results than me, check out my past posts. through nearly eight months, i have had 16 mostly VP sessions, totalling approx 21 days of 13 hours of play/each day. i have lost a total of less than $4500. i am not a 1%er, but my loss is peanuts. i will likely lose a mutiple of that, when the markets open.  as one who describes himself as 'playing more than anyone on this site', i will assume your losses are much greater. care to offer details?   even though i have played VP for about 10 years, i never felt the need to search out a forum to discuss my play or results. i lost, but those losses were a good value, for what i got in return. now, your results may not have changed, but mine did, sometime after the onset of the great depression. it was only after years of worse results, that i came to this site. i have never posted anywhere else. i wanted to find if others were experiencing any changes over the past few years. i was not alone, there were others.  as far as me searching for others to agree with me in my belief that VP has changed, you do not have to search far. check out this thread and see someone who has made more than 10 posts, and has been playing longer than you, who has a similar belief.   as far as VP being rigged, i doubt it. i do believe the game has changed and i do believe that technology or regulation changes could be possible. do i have proof, no. but, i live in the real world and know anything is possible when it comes to money. you do not have to like or agree with my posts, i will not lose any sleep over it. i did a little checking of your past posts. while you may believe i am trying to convince others of something, your mission seems to be to confront those who do not have your beliefs. not sure what credentials you may have to analyze or criticize me, but some may believe that someone who spends as much time as you in a casino, may have a problem. you may want to reflect on that, instead of worrying about others.  

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case, i answered your questions, now i have one for you.  you find fault with my assertion that the games appear to me, to have changed. you say i am accusing the casinos of rigging the machines. i have NEVER taken a positon regarding the hundreds of posts regarding playing less than max coins, other than to say i do not like playing wild card games. feel free to check my history, i do not post on this subject. yet many, including someone today, mentions playing this 'cheap' system and believes they get better hands, playing some number of coins, less than max. some of these posters would no doubt support you position that the machines are 100% random. yet, they believe they have some advantage playing less than max, because some number of coins, less than max, hits more often. to be clear, i know that this cheap method of play does not advocate better hits, but it is often brought up. so, one could interpret their comments to be the machines are rigged to pay out better in certain situations. are you willingly to take on those folks also?

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NotesIf you are referring to Florida Phil and his system I will answer:Lets say you deposit 20 dollars in a machine. You then play max coins. This would give you 16 spins if you had no wins.Now lets put that 20 dollars in and play 1 coin. Now you get 80 spins. So of course you will see more big hands like 4 of a kinds because you have 5 times as many chances.  However each win will be at 1 coin rate. That is why they assume they see more big hands, because they have more chances.I also believe they will lose less money playing 1 coin because they will cycle less money through the machines. Common sense, right?Tell me this. How come when Phil is at a casino that has much better odds he switches to max coins? I mean why would he do this if he was making more money playing 1 coin? Phil says the reason is because 1 coin lets him lose less while playing poor pay tables. But if he saw more big hands playing 1 coin...why switch? Phil also said recently he is in a drought on deuces wild.  Why is this....because it all evens out over time. He had a ton of 4 deuces and now it is coming back to the machines RTP.The last line of your post to me stated "one could interpret their comments to be the machines are rigged to pay
out better in certain situations. are you willingly to take on those
folks also"Once again you are looking for support from others (or having someone side with you) as I quoted in my original post



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case, anyone who states that they are more likely to hit quads, when playing a particular number of coins, as opposed to any other number of coins, is stating the machines are not random. this was stated today and has been stated in the past. i am more than comfortable taking a position on something, with or without anyone's elses support.  you have mentioned on numerous posts that you spend an abnormal amount of time in a casino. the implication would be that your addiction would give you more insight and your opinion would carry more weight, than someone who has a more well rounded life.  for a person who wears as a badge of honor, that they spend more time in a casino than any other poster, i would guess they would really need to believe the casino world is as pure as snow.   you must have forgotten to post your results, after accusing me of losing my ass.

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You have already said no one can beat the game. So if I posted that I have had some winning years you would call me a liar. So why would I post my results. Because I play a lot of VP and spend a lot of time in casinos you assume I am addicted. Your words not mine. It gets harder every year to beat VP but not because the machines are not random but because casinos keep lowering the pay tables.  Today pros have to use every incentive available to squeak out a profit and again they don't win every year.But my point was not about making a profit, my point was the machines are the same.  I know you and a few people here have your own opinion on that  and I have mine. Again why would anyone play if they thought things have been changed with machines?


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i never brought up your results, until you accused me of 'losing my ass', your words not mine. you were wrong, i have been posting my results. you like checking my past post, it is there for all to see.   you are sayng i would call you a liar, for something you have not even posted. you must think pretty highly of yourself, to know in advance, what i might say.  yes, i would assume anyone who plays more than anyone else on this site is addicted. i prefer to take the word of a casino owner, who publicly states something that goes against their own interest, as opposed to someone who benefits by making a statement without offering proof.  there are folks who invest in the stock market, even though they believe it is rigged. sometimes you are forced to play in the world the way it is. being net positive for any single year, is no indication of long term results. i stand by my opinion that it is highly unlikely, outside of some one time large win, that in today's VP or any casino game, that anyone is consistently winning money over an extended time period. 

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case, noticed that over the last two days you have been offering congrats to a number of posters who have had good sessions. i think that is very nice.  but, something caught my eye. so i checked every post you had made in the last 12 months. you had never offered any congrats to anyone ever before. NOT ONCE. you did take time to correct someone if they said/did something you did not agree with.  have you found your nicer side or are you trying to make friends? hoping to find folks that will agree with you? whatever the reason, glad to see the change, maybe the timing is just a coincidence?  

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Post by case »

I like winners!! Means the machines are starting to pay out again. Maybe the casinos have "adjusted" them to pay out more!!


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