Re: Horseshoe In Tunica for video poker??
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:25 am
You have already said no one can beat the game. So if I posted that I have had some winning years you would call me a liar. So why would I post my results.
Because I play a lot of VP and spend a lot of time in casinos you assume I am addicted. Your words not mine.
It gets harder every year to beat VP but not because the machines are not random but because casinos keep lowering the pay tables. Today pros have to use every incentive available to squeak out a profit and again they don't win every year.
But my point was not about making a profit, my point was the machines are the same. I know you and a few people here have your own opinion on that and I have mine. Again why would anyone play if they thought things have been changed with machines?
I think I can offer an explanation as to why anyone would continue to play if they thought things have been changed with the machines, keep in mind I'm not in any way trying to convince or alter your personal feelings. After reading some of your previous comments I'd say that I've played about as long as you have and I've seen some good times and bad times, got pretty comfortable playing the game and had complete respect and trust in the game for many years. The machines, odds and statistics never let me down, numbers would get a little out of balance at times, sometimes to the good and other times to the bad but the adjustment would always come along, you could count on it. When I got on a losing streak I never really worried about it because I had complete faith and trust relief would arrive at some time if I just kept playing, it always did. The same went for winning streaks, I knew it would come to an end. Thru all the years of play, all the ups and downs, I loved the game because I truly felt the game was completly random. I used to preach to non believers, most of which were players who spent very little time playing and taking the time to learn about the game they were playing, I converted a few people along the way who weren't stupid they were just ignorant of the facts concerning number of hands versus the odds and statistics. I remember talking to a guy several years ago who commented on the fact that I had 3 vp machines (all were $2 denom DDB at max play) at the same time locked up waiting to be paid on the jackpots. The man said he never hit anything when he played max coins, so he would only play single coin $2 DDB. I explained to the man that the machine had no idea or interest in what denomination or the amount of credits he was playing, the machine was oblivious to that information. I then ask him when he played $2 denom DDB at max credits how long he would play, his answer was, "as long as the $300 I brought would hold out". My next question was how long have you been playing vp and how many times did you attempt to play $2 denom at max credits, his answer was, " I started playing about six months ago because I got bored with slots and the first 6 or 7 times I played max coins I never hit anything good so I switched to single coin and started hitting some things ever once in a while". I took the time to explain about proper bankroll, discipline and learning all the correct holds. I made a believer out of this guy and used to see him at the casino all the time playing, in fact when he hit his first $8K royal flush he came over to me and offered me $500 which I turned down of corse, I let him treat me to dinner instead. I haven't seen or talked to this guy in about three years, truth is a lot of folks who at one time played all the time and I knew on site have disapeared. who knows what happened to them. On occasion I will run into one of them and they all say the same thing, it got to tough for me to play there anymore. Now with all that said it took a lot and I mean a lot of bad vp for me to get to the point I am now, it took years. I don't have the luxury of blaming lower or bad pay tables because I know where to find them, I seek out and play some pretty decent pay tables. In my case pay tables good or bad don't seem to make the slightest difference, it's a pretty steady beatdown with an extemely rare good night, I'm playing about as much as used to play but the good hands just don't show up like they used to, I have no inside information or reasonable explanation as to why that's the case, all I have is my results. Now to answer the million dollar question, "why would anyone keep playing if they think something has changed". I can only answer for myself, others may have different reasons. I keep playing because of folks like yourself, Tedlark, Shadowman, Bob Dancer and a few others who insist that nothing has changed. I'm holding onto that sliver of hope that you and the others are 100% correct and it will all turn around eventually, if you're right it has to change sooner or later for me woudln't you agree?
Because I play a lot of VP and spend a lot of time in casinos you assume I am addicted. Your words not mine.
It gets harder every year to beat VP but not because the machines are not random but because casinos keep lowering the pay tables. Today pros have to use every incentive available to squeak out a profit and again they don't win every year.
But my point was not about making a profit, my point was the machines are the same. I know you and a few people here have your own opinion on that and I have mine. Again why would anyone play if they thought things have been changed with machines?
I think I can offer an explanation as to why anyone would continue to play if they thought things have been changed with the machines, keep in mind I'm not in any way trying to convince or alter your personal feelings. After reading some of your previous comments I'd say that I've played about as long as you have and I've seen some good times and bad times, got pretty comfortable playing the game and had complete respect and trust in the game for many years. The machines, odds and statistics never let me down, numbers would get a little out of balance at times, sometimes to the good and other times to the bad but the adjustment would always come along, you could count on it. When I got on a losing streak I never really worried about it because I had complete faith and trust relief would arrive at some time if I just kept playing, it always did. The same went for winning streaks, I knew it would come to an end. Thru all the years of play, all the ups and downs, I loved the game because I truly felt the game was completly random. I used to preach to non believers, most of which were players who spent very little time playing and taking the time to learn about the game they were playing, I converted a few people along the way who weren't stupid they were just ignorant of the facts concerning number of hands versus the odds and statistics. I remember talking to a guy several years ago who commented on the fact that I had 3 vp machines (all were $2 denom DDB at max play) at the same time locked up waiting to be paid on the jackpots. The man said he never hit anything when he played max coins, so he would only play single coin $2 DDB. I explained to the man that the machine had no idea or interest in what denomination or the amount of credits he was playing, the machine was oblivious to that information. I then ask him when he played $2 denom DDB at max credits how long he would play, his answer was, "as long as the $300 I brought would hold out". My next question was how long have you been playing vp and how many times did you attempt to play $2 denom at max credits, his answer was, " I started playing about six months ago because I got bored with slots and the first 6 or 7 times I played max coins I never hit anything good so I switched to single coin and started hitting some things ever once in a while". I took the time to explain about proper bankroll, discipline and learning all the correct holds. I made a believer out of this guy and used to see him at the casino all the time playing, in fact when he hit his first $8K royal flush he came over to me and offered me $500 which I turned down of corse, I let him treat me to dinner instead. I haven't seen or talked to this guy in about three years, truth is a lot of folks who at one time played all the time and I knew on site have disapeared. who knows what happened to them. On occasion I will run into one of them and they all say the same thing, it got to tough for me to play there anymore. Now with all that said it took a lot and I mean a lot of bad vp for me to get to the point I am now, it took years. I don't have the luxury of blaming lower or bad pay tables because I know where to find them, I seek out and play some pretty decent pay tables. In my case pay tables good or bad don't seem to make the slightest difference, it's a pretty steady beatdown with an extemely rare good night, I'm playing about as much as used to play but the good hands just don't show up like they used to, I have no inside information or reasonable explanation as to why that's the case, all I have is my results. Now to answer the million dollar question, "why would anyone keep playing if they think something has changed". I can only answer for myself, others may have different reasons. I keep playing because of folks like yourself, Tedlark, Shadowman, Bob Dancer and a few others who insist that nothing has changed. I'm holding onto that sliver of hope that you and the others are 100% correct and it will all turn around eventually, if you're right it has to change sooner or later for me woudln't you agree?