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Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:37 am
by MikeA

I wonder what percentage of blackjack players in the casino are:
 
1) Consider themselves experts
2) Know a good deal about strategy
3) Know basic holds
4) Know most of the rules and make it up as they go
5) Ask the dealer "So I want to get closest to 21 without going over?"
 
I would guess 4 and 5 make up a majority of players with #3 close behind. The house favor for these groups has to be much better than for groups 1,2.
 
Not so with slots.I don't know how one could possibly come up with good numbers for those questions Eduardo.  There are a lot of BJ players who have played for years and years and think that makes them "expert".  The reality is, they make mistakes left and right.  Not all of them.  There are (according to best estimates based on experience of pros and my own observations) probably 10% of the players who do know the Strategy.  Of that 10%, probably 5% chicken out on certain plays (like splitting 8's with a big bet out against a dealer 10).  They know what they are supposed to do, but don't do it.  Then there is the remaining 5% who know the strategy and always apply it.  Of that 5% maybe 2% in total, not only know Basic Strategy "cold" but also know how to make the advantage plays.  Of that 2% maybe 20% are practiced enough to apply their skill with accuracy.Now, with those numbers, you can definitely see why Casino's are scared to death of card counters <LOL>

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:57 am
by EDC1977
  Eduardo, I responded to a comment on another thread, something about monkeys and VP to which I answered that monkeys have the same odds of hitting a jackpot on a slot machine because you only have to hit the spin reels button, no thinking required. Thats why slots are so terribly popular among casino visitors. How would they react if they actually had to think about their actions before pushing a button?Eduardo, you're 100% correct!

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:01 pm
by faygo
  Eduardo, I responded to a comment on another thread, something about monkeys and VP to which I answered that monkeys have the same odds of hitting a jackpot on a slot machine because you only have to hit the spin reels button, no thinking required. Thats why slots are so terribly popular among casino visitors. How would they react if they actually had to think about their actions before pushing a button?Eduardo, you're 100% correct!
 
EDC, when I was gainfully employed, the last thing I wanted to do was to go to a Casino and have to think. The slots were a great mind numbing escape.  I think part of my brain is now permently numb.

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:37 pm
by EDC1977
 Faygo, as long as you're comfortable and enjoying your numb-iness, then everything's jake. I couldn't stand thinking you were both unemployed and uncomfortably numb! What would become of the game if everyone played near perfect and the casinos offered positive paytables?

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:50 am
by jm002546

  I hope the casinos offer even more positive games. All the positive seem to be well hyped any more with signs or optima labels. If they can draw additional average players maybe they will do better at, say, 5 or 6% profit on more play than 6 or 7 they might be making now.

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:49 pm
by ginxxxx


[QUOTE=EDC1977]  Eduardo, I responded to a comment on another thread, something about monkeys and VP to which I answered that monkeys have the same odds of hitting a jackpot on a slot machine because you only have to hit the spin reels button, no thinking required. Thats why slots are so terribly popular among casino visitors. How would they react if they actually had to think about their actions before pushing a button?Eduardo, you're 100% correct!
 
EDC, when I was gainfully employed, the last thing I wanted to do was to go to a Casino and have to think. The slots were a great mind numbing escape.  I think part of my brain is now permently numb.[/QUOTE]I'm with faygo, I appreciate a good mind-numbing session  on slots sometimes after a VP session...or on my way to the elevators...or while waiting to pick up the pizza...or whenever my mind wants a little numbing.

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:25 pm
by EDC1977
 Ginny, I'm not sure about mind-numbing. I'd prefer vegging-out unless of course numbing your state-of-mind is intentional!I've walked through the casino at various times and noticed a few"numb-ies"in various states of awakeness playing zombie-like,sometimes mid morning! I'd rather do my mind numbing sleeping or just prior to.

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:13 pm
by ginxxxx

Isn't there a class of slots named "Zombie"?I do have to mention that my biggest jackpot ever was on one of them!

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:56 pm
by jm002546



[QUOTE=MikeA]
[QUOTE=Eduardo]I wonder what percentage of blackjack players in the casino are:
 
1) Consider themselves experts   are - 1%  consider - 99% Unfortunately, the nons make a habit of telling the ares how to play.

Re: 2007 Nevada Casino Take

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:45 pm
by EDC1977
  JM, you're correct in your thinking. 99 % are so-called experts and 1%(if that) are truly expert caliber players, a good percentage of which, won't talk about or admit to being in that bracket of player. Ginny, I hope you didn't take offense to my post about players appearing zombie-like at various times of the day. I DO play slots and have also hit my biggest jackpots on them so I'm certainly not ever in a position to rag on slot players. Just play observer sometime and people watch in the casino.