New player DDB 5$ machines

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Csak47100
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New player DDB 5$ machines

Post by Csak47100 »

Hello all , just subscribed on this site and am a new player.

I been playing DDB for $5 stakes and getting destroyed, 8 losing session in a row with zero winning session on video poker so far . Down 22k with about 250k coin in . That sounds like big loss , my goal is to play at a casino for 50 k coin in per session . Hoping to break even but Everytime I would lose 2-5k each time . Is this good approach ? What do you guys think about DDB 5$ aiming for 50k coin in per casino ? I read on other forum that $5 you lose big ( which I am ) , and DDB is not very good ? Any advices ? Thank you

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Post by Eduardo »

That is much higher stakes than I would ever be comfortable with. DDB is very volatile, you will need a huge bankroll to sustain that.

You haven't mentioned what pay table you are playing. Is this 9/6?

How proficient at the strategy are you?

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Hello

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Hello so it is 9/6 DDB which is 98.98 % return . I been trying to do some 50 k coin in session at several casinos at my local that I already know offer is hood from bj play . So reason I’m trying to do 50 k session per coin in is because CET have multiplier bonus of 10k if you do 50 k coin in per session . Not that I’m very familiar with other casinos but I figured it’s good amount since that is maximum amount you can earn in terms of tier points at ceasers. I was comfortable with $1 machines ($5) , but I heard ( also experienced ) that it would require like 12 hours to get 50 k coin in in session , which it does . So I started )2 machines but that would take 6 hits still , then very recently I switched to $5 machines ($25) a hand but I’m intimidated by how fast I can lose , like last night I would lose 4 k in like 10 minutes ( variance seems like much higher than bj ) , so I’m not sure how to approach the game . Is 50 k coin in at several casinos and try to get offers from local casino in 1 trip a good approach? I feel like I’m throwing money away in gutter at this point and kind of regret my strategy and vp play . Trying to hopefully break even in a session but that’s not been the case at all .

My game is not perfect as I’m still new , but been practicing everyday for like 1 hour at least and reading forum posts a lot to get more knowledge and also researching online . I would make some $0.005 errors here and there which would add up to quite sum of dollars after 1000 hands . So I know I need more practice .

Reason I’m getting into video poker is that I been backed off several local casino from bj play , and I figured I want to branch out to video poker advantage play to expand my territory . I’m hitting up these casinos I already know offer is generous from bj play ok multiplayer or promotion days , if they have it . What do you guys recommend for me going further from this point ?

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Post by Chicagoan »

If you are down $22K in 8 sessions, you are headed for bankruptcy. 98.98% return may sound good to you, but anything less than 100% is a loser unless the comp cash benefits exceed the difference. On top of that, you yourself admit that you are not a perfect player ---- the 98.98% refers to perfect play, and that percentage also includes expected royals and other premium hands, which may or may not appear. If you are smart, you'll move to quarter games and stay there until you (a) become proficient and (b) learn the comp system and put it to your advantage. There are no miracles in long-term VP. It is a very simple calculation. Less than 100% total means less than 100% total.

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Post by tech58 »

Excellent start Chi.
Believe him C47, but just the tip of the berg. Much more to learn.
I doubt that you hit BJ early on unarmed. But that's where your at on VP.

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Post by Eduardo »

YIKES. You are playing way outside of my comfort zone. If you have millions to burn, congratulations.

I would take some time to at least perfect the game before you even attempt to play at that level. Play for free here on the site with a trainer to get a feel for how your bankroll will swing.

Are the comps that important to you? I would think you could have gotten a pretty nice vacation for $22,000!

What are you trying to accomplish here? If you want offers, I'd say you are well on your way. How much are you prepared to lose for those offers?

YIKES!!

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Post by Csak47100 »

Hello all , thanks for input .

Well when I mean offers , I’m exclusively talking about something that can turn into ev, such as free slot play free bet match plays , and tournaments and drawings if it’s good . I thought that’s how you supposed to make money on vp? What I’m trying to do is hopefully lose as least as possible with decent coin in , and make profit with offers . I had terrible start but I thought it was bad variance ? ( although I need to perfect the game first ) . Like the other day they had point multiplayer of 10 x coin in . I did calculations And I would break even on DDB 9/6 because multiplayer will give me 1% back since it’s times 10. I got 500 slot play just from comp dollars with 50 k con in ( which is 1% back ) , so anything from mailer is plus ev right ? Is this approach right ? I’m not trying to bust my bankroll but just trying to extract max offer with least coin in with minimum loss . My bankroll is 200 k but it is replenishable if things come to worst . Any thoughts ?

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Post by Eduardo »

I like reading about these things, but would never have the stomach to take them on myself. Of course, I will never have a $200,000 bankroll set aside for gambling, so I don't need to worry about it. I'm not sure if $200K is reasonable for $25 a hand or not. There will be a "risk of ruin" on that. I may calculate it later if I have time. Someone like Bob Dancer will be able to advise on the proper bankroll level and your risk. I'm sure he would tell you not to play right now... that you're not ready for these stakes.

It sounds like you may be able to come up with a positive opportunity here (after you get the strategy down) but my advice is ALWAYS to never gamble what you aren't prepared to lose.

There will also be some serious tax considerations here that you will encounter than I'm also not familiar with since I'm mainly a quarter player.

Best of luck! Hope you hit a big one early.

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Post by pokerpokerpoker »

Video Poker is a high variance game, particularly when you get into games that only push on 2 pairs (like DDB).

Your general trend will be lose, lose, lose until a royal or AWAK comes along. I play a lot of TDB for dollars, which has a higher payback but an even high variance than DDB. A typical run at dollars with an $800 session limit might be:

-$800
-$800
-$800
-$800
+$2000
$-800
$-800
$-800
$+4000

My $800, if I don't hit any/many quads might not even last an hour - win big/lose big (and quickly). So, at $5 stakes, I could easily envision losing thousands per hour when running bad. But over time, results will trend towards the payback percentage of the game (minus errors). Comps can help bridge the loss, maybe overcome it completely.

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