Las Vegas Casinos to Open June 4

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Re: Las Vegas Casinos to Open June 4

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Those are very good and if in Ct I would be all over the 9/6 job offer. I think I already posted that for now and for me Mohegan Sun is being pretty generous. I only play 99 % or better machines now and luckily, I still have quarters available. For now, I am being offered about 300 in monthly free play, free weekday rooms, and lounge access. They are starting to offer nominal gifts as well. I almost always give these to needy people I know. I have already had 5 consecutive positive sessions since May 30 at Mohegan Sun. No Royals, minimum of 200 bucks up per trip, quads averaging well below average. About 30,000 hands played so far. The only reason I am ahead is I am still using my very mild Martingale Clone method, but have a negative 300 buck cutoff point. So far I haven’t had to stop playing due to hitting that. When I get to a dozen or so straight sessions without a Royal or loss session, I will post the detail. It is very strange. I can almost sense when something decent is going to hit which of course is impossible if the machine is really random. So far, in all of the sessions, when I get behind and my bets get over 15 or so quarters per deal, short strings or flurrys of full houses and or quads have hit, putting me back in the plus column. This of course is short term. We will see what happens. By the way in contrast, I am a Platinum Player at Foxwoods. Foxwoods is giving me exactly zero offers. I inquired about the reason to 2 different hosts. Both said it is because I played off my free play in recent months and not any of my own money. My response was obvious telling them there is no way you get to Platinum level playing that way. I then said check my coin in. That fell on deaf ears. I said OK no problem. Your loss and Mohegan Sun’s gain. Even my wife who plays tiny nickel bets is getting some minimal offers from Foxwoods. Strange. By the way, since they have no quarter 99 percent games there, I only play dollars. Go figure. Guess I could always address a letter to the ceo telling them to check their programs they are running. For now, I’m quite happy at Mohegan Sun.

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Post by JennyB »

BobDancer wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:56 pm
Tedlark wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:35 pm



Who are the casinos offering these specials to? Other players here in these forums have recently written of receiving offers and if these offers are all related to the level of play booked to any individual player then that would lead a person to believe that their offers were all different and not a generic or one size fits all "better than average gambling special."

They vary. Every casino is different. Some you have to be invited to. Some are open to everybody. Some you can earn an invitation by playing heavily without the promotion and then collecting on the promotion later.

I'll provide one example -- open to everybody. You tell me if it's better than you usually get.

Four Queens --- open to everybody --- play 4,000 points ($32,000 coin-in on most machines --- but $64,000 coin-in on 10/7 DB.) Earn an extra $400 free play and an extra $140 in comp dollars. normal rewards for that much play is $100 in cash back and $200 in comp dollars --- which you also get.

For 50 cent and dollar single line player, the best game is 10/6/40 DDB (The 40 refers to receiving 200 for the straight flush rather than the typical 250), which is worth 99.96%. Assuming you play $32,000 coin-in on this game, you can expect to lose $13 on the game itself and gain a total of $500 in cash+free play and $340 in comps. Plus you'll get mailers.

Assuming you can play 800 hph at dollars, this is an 8-hour play worth $487 in cash plus free play. (You can play off your free play on some, not all, 10/6/40 machines meaning your EV is basically 100% of the face value.) Round numbers that's $60 per hour for a dollar play. If the comps have real value to you (Hugo's Cellar is an excellent steakhouse) you get an additional $45 per hour in comps.

(This is DDB, so the swings are large. You can easily be behind after $32,000 coin-in, but learn the game and I like your chances.)

You can do this once each month for June, July, and August. Conceivably an out-of-towner could come in on June 30 and play 8 hours and collect, and also play another 8 hours on July 1 and collect again.

If you don't like DDB, they have quarter 9/6 JoB --- and not much else. That game isn't worth as much per hour, but the promotion is still a 1.25% free play bonus --- plus nice comps --- in addition to the regular 0.3125% cash back and 0.625% comps. The $400 comes at you incrementally (meaning if you only play $16,000, you get half the amount.) $40 worth of extra comps comes at the halfway point and the other $100 comes at completion.

this may not be the best promotion (for me it's definitely not) --- but it's one I feel comfortable sharing. Truly there are others.
those are great promotions.

why do you think they offer them? because they think 99% of players aren't diciplined enough to only play those top payback machines, and they'll blow the comps on other stuff? I would think so.

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JennyB wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:57 am


those are great promotions.

why do you think they offer them? because they think 99% of players aren't diciplined enough to only play those top payback machines, and they'll blow the comps on other stuff? I would think so.
This is not a casino doing this. This is some combination of slot director and marketing department. There are a variety of reasons why they come up with things.

The short answer to your question is casinos in Vegas are very competitive. Many have not opened yet because they don't believe the demand is there. (they are correct). Many Station Casinos (like Palms, Texas Station, Palace Station, Sante Fe Station, I think) are shuttered. Do not expect Station Casinos to have great promotions these. Their view of all of this is to hang on and they will likely try to do this by tightening things.

Other casinos have the point of view that there are relatively few players out there and they want them to come HERE.

Often times marketing and slot departments do not communicate with each other. In my autobiography, Million Dollar Video Poker, I described how executives in these departments at one casino were mathematically challenged and that directly led to me becoming a millionaire. If you look, you'll see the descendants of those executives still running some casinos. You just have to examine what they do and be smarter than they are. It's not a high bar at some places.

And when you find such an opportunity, jump on it! It will not last forever. Casinos can change their mind before a promotion runs as long as they originally plan.

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Post by DougJ »

CliffNotes for those not wanting to read an autobiography of this old man and his "specials" :

Some casinos offer promotions right now, and some do not.

Some promotions are available only to those with player cards, and some are not.

There. Fixed it for you.

** Nothing to see here. Don't underestimate your own common sense, folks.

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Post by Sea Lion »

As for Station Casinos, Fiesta Rancho and Henderson are both closed as well. Palace is open, but is way too crowded for me. That was my favorite spot for breakfast buffet many years ago though. As for Red Rock, the 3 points for $1 in is gone. It is 1 for 1 now. The "My Generation" program is now split into 2 days. Wednesdays for using 1/2 points at select restaurants, and Thursdays for the 10x points for slot and 6x points for VP. They are running a 10x for slots and 6x for VP on Thursdays and Sundays for the rest of June. I did speak to someone at the Rewards Center and they mentioned that they are indeed tightening certain things up for now.

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Post by JennyB »

BobDancer wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:01 pm
JennyB wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:57 am


those are great promotions.

why do you think they offer them? because they think 99% of players aren't diciplined enough to only play those top payback machines, and they'll blow the comps on other stuff? I would think so.
This is not a casino doing this. This is some combination of slot director and marketing department. There are a variety of reasons why they come up with things.

The short answer to your question is casinos in Vegas are very competitive. Many have not opened yet because they don't believe the demand is there. (they are correct). Many Station Casinos (like Palms, Texas Station, Palace Station, Sante Fe Station, I think) are shuttered. Do not expect Station Casinos to have great promotions these. Their view of all of this is to hang on and they will likely try to do this by tightening things.

Other casinos have the point of view that there are relatively few players out there and they want them to come HERE.

Often times marketing and slot departments do not communicate with each other. In my autobiography, Million Dollar Video Poker, I described how executives in these departments at one casino were mathematically challenged and that directly led to me becoming a millionaire. If you look, you'll see the descendants of those executives still running some casinos. You just have to examine what they do and be smarter than they are. It's not a high bar at some places.

And when you find such an opportunity, jump on it! It will not last forever. Casinos can change their mind before a promotion runs as long as they originally plan.
Informative! I'll have to check out your book.

It's sad to see so many closed

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Post by Carcounter »

BobDancer wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:01 pm
JennyB wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:57 am


those are great promotions.

why do you think they offer them? because they think 99% of players aren't diciplined enough to only play those top payback machines, and they'll blow the comps on other stuff? I would think so.
This is not a casino doing this. This is some combination of slot director and marketing department. There are a variety of reasons why they come up with things.

The short answer to your question is casinos in Vegas are very competitive. Many have not opened yet because they don't believe the demand is there. (they are correct). Many Station Casinos (like Palms, Texas Station, Palace Station, Sante Fe Station, I think) are shuttered. Do not expect Station Casinos to have great promotions these. Their view of all of this is to hang on and they will likely try to do this by tightening things.

Other casinos have the point of view that there are relatively few players out there and they want them to come HERE.

Often times marketing and slot departments do not communicate with each other. In my autobiography, Million Dollar Video Poker, I described how executives in these departments at one casino were mathematically challenged and that directly led to me becoming a millionaire. If you look, you'll see the descendants of those executives still running some casinos. You just have to examine what they do and be smarter than they are. It's not a high bar at some places.

And when you find such an opportunity, jump on it! It will not last forever. Casinos can change their mind before a promotion runs as long as they originally plan.
Remember the Revel's 100k cash back promo? That din't last long, especially when some big players notified the casino of their mistake.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

I actually totally agree with Bob’s mathematically challenged statement and in fact it may be an understatement. I have found several can't lose promotions at both Ct casinos over the years and milked every one of them until they were pulled. One of my favorite ones was at Foxwoods 5 or ten years ago. At the time they were very generous with points on vp machines, giving very nice gifts like big screen tvs etc. even on 99 percent machines. They decided to offer 100 percent cash back for points earned. My friend was
a big player and cashed in all of his 15,000 points for 15,000 bucks. That program only lasted a few days and lines were around the block to take advantage. So the casino exec thought my friend had quit playing for some unknown reason and to lure him back offered him even more stuff which of course he took advantage of. Those were the days. I have tried also to have intelligent conversations with some of the execs, player development people, and hosts. When after a minute or so it was obvious they were being polite but had no idea what I was getting at with math or formula related statements, I just changed the conversation to the weather or something else. They couldn’t even seem to grasp why a certain bank of machines were not being played. It was so obvious and they didn’t get it. They had installed spotlights directly overhead at Mohegan Sun that blinded you so you couldn't see the cards on the dealt hands. People tried wearing big hats and shades and they still didn’t get it. So instead of redirecting the lighting, they took all of the machines away thinking they weren’t popular. In fact the opposite was true.

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Post by Sea Lion »

Suncoast had 5 ten-play machines near the east side entrance close to the 4 -9/7 TDB machines a few years back. Next to those machines were 3 super loud slot machines, placed there intentionally of course. Those 10-play had several 99%+ games. I did quite well on those. So did others. They were probably there a few months before they got yanked and never replaced. No need to wonder why! Anyways there are a bank of 6 - 10 play machines near the movie theater which are 2 cent progressives with sh!tty paytables, however if you play the 5 cent, 10 cent, 25 cent, 50 cent, and 1 dollar denom, there is 9/6 DDB, 9/7/5 DB, and 8/5 BP.

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