Question about 9/5 $1 JOB machine at Caesars LV

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Re: Question about 9/5 $1 JOB machine at Caesars LV

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seemoreroyals wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:39 am
Do all of the $10 per point machines have the same theo and if not is there a way to find out what the differences are?
Only method to my knowledge is obtaining your theo from a host.
BobDancer wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:08 pm
To find out what your theo is on any trip, simply ask a host. They will tell you.
I would also maybe ask for my coin-in to be sure the host is assessing the correct time frame. Example: my coin-in is $10,000 and my trip theo is $300. Assuming I played only one game, the assigned theo must be 3%. Btw, I'm not sure all hosts are happy to provide the information.
hophoofer wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:47 am
There is no chance you can get 1.6% back from slot club to make it even. Total rewards now is run by some smart people who know the math well.
They may have smart people in the organization, but the smart people aren't necessarily the ones implementing the configuration settings. And all people can make clerical errors.

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hophoofer wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:47 am
“9/5 can still be a better game to play than 9/6 on occasion.”

Maybe true 20 years ago. Absolutely impossible now.

There is no chance you can get 1.6% back from slot club to make it even. Total rewards now is run by some smart people who know the math well.
It was true up to about 3 years ago in Las Vegas. Something very similar is true today at a non-Caesars property that I can't name because there are only a few machines and the publicity would kill it for those of us exploiting it.

I would say "doesn't happen often" but would strongly say the "absolutely impossible" conclusion isn't true. Winning players find and exploit this kind of mistake.

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BobDancer wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:49 am
advantage playe wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:46 am
AC has alot of 9/6 JOB !! Why would u play 9/5 ?? is there a doctor in the house ???
I've played a lot of 9/5 JoB at Caesars properties in Las Vegas. For three or four years, the theoretical for the game was set to about 4% (on a game where the actual theoretical was closer to 1.5%), and if you played about $130K in one day (for an expected loss of a little more the $2,000), you'd get $3,500 in free play. You could do this twice a month. Quite lucrative while it lasted.

At these properties, since 9/5 Job earns points at $10 per and 9/6 JoB earns points at $25-$50 per, for the right kind of points promotion, 9/5 can still be a better game to play than 9/6 on occasion.

Pay schedules are important --- but learning the ins and outs of the slot club is as important.
as u alluded to , now there is no 1.5%% slot clubs ,esp outside of vegas no ??

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correct me if i am in error , i am always willig to learn .

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advantage playe wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:16 pm

as u alluded to , now there is no 1.5%% slot clubs ,esp outside of vegas no ??
It's more than the slot club. It can be include promotions and mailers. and on occasion, when the stars align, you get a combination that exceeds 1.5%

It's always a mistake. And casinos try not to make mistakes. But sometimes they happen. But you have to look for them and be ready to exploit them when they occur.

An example that occurred two years ago: A casino had a 0.3% slot club for both slots and video poker. they had a 6-hour 12x promotion. they meant to exclude video poker, but they didn't. The best game to play during that promotion was $10 8/5 Bonus. they have numerous such machines and you can easily slide over to an adjacent machine when you hit a W2G on all quads or higher.

Fortunately none of the four players who figured this out was stupid enough to go to the booth and ask, "Do you mean to include video poker too?" Of course the answer would have been no. And the promotion would have been killed.

they paid off all players who exploited this --- and them promptly kicked them out of the slot club. To my mind, it was well worth it! Playing a quarter million through the machines with a 1.8% advantage easily makes up for about 5 years of that casino's regular promotions.

I do understand that playing this big is beyond many of the people here.

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BobDancer wrote:
Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:00 am
advantage playe wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:16 pm

as u alluded to , now there is no 1.5%% slot clubs ,esp outside of vegas no ??
It's more than the slot club. It can be include promotions and mailers. and on occasion, when the stars align, you get a combination that exceeds 1.5%

It's always a mistake. And casinos try not to make mistakes. But sometimes they happen. But you have to look for them and be ready to exploit them when they occur.

An example that occurred two years ago: A casino had a 0.3% slot club for both slots and video poker. they had a 6-hour 12x promotion. they meant to exclude video poker, but they didn't. The best game to play during that promotion was $10 8/5 Bonus. they have numerous such machines and you can easily slide over to an adjacent machine when you hit a W2G on all quads or higher.

Fortunately none of the four players who figured this out was stupid enough to go to the booth and ask, "Do you mean to include video poker too?" Of course the answer would have been no. And the promotion would have been killed.

they paid off all players who exploited this --- and them promptly kicked them out of the slot club. To my mind, it was well worth it! Playing a quarter million through the machines with a 1.8% advantage easily makes up for about 5 years of that casino's regular promotions.

I do understand that playing this big is beyond many of the people here.
thank you Bob DANCER !

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Post by FAA »

AP, I played at Tropicana because I happened to be there. Obviously, i am voting with my feet. They have nice FP, gifts and offers. So I may return one day. Dull as dishwater bartender too.

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Post by billryan »

It's been years since I visited the Trop but when I was regular, I loved the singing bartender and there was a bartender at Diamond Jims who had incredible stories. He showed me a photo of him being guarded by Wilt Chamberlin in a high school basketball game. I had some good times at The Top of The Trop back in its heyday. The funny thing is when they added that tower with the fancy clubs, IMAX and upscale eateries, it started a downward spiral.

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As covid unfortunately keeps increasing throughout our country, I see casino business where I play falling off again. A couple of months ago, the casino had tightened up on free play, but just in the last week or so, it has become more generous. Currently, my free play stands at about one percent of my coin in. That is the highest I ever remember. The average has been about .3 or .4 percent over the years. If I add that one percent to my 99.54 return with perfect play, I become positive. One problem......On time Royals on time continue to elude me. Hoping it will change by year end. No guarantees. I an also not including what they call perk points in that one percent above. Those I can use same as cash at their gas station or other venues. Counting the perk points, they are giving me currently about 1.2 percent that I can actually spend. I am also not counting free food, gifts, and other small items. I don’t think it is worth it for me to switch to a 9/5 game, even though on that game I earn points I can spend equal to a dollar a point. One has to run about 500 bucks through the vp machine with a 9/5 paytable earn a point worth a dollar. That only gives me another . 2 of one percent. Nowhere enoygh to make up the difference between 9/5 and 9/6

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:05 pm
Currently, my free play stands at about one percent of my coin in.
Very nice. Nevada casinos have tightened up on mailers and promos, afaik.
I don’t think it is worth it for me to switch to a 9/5 game, even though on that game I earn points I can spend equal to a dollar a point.
I realize this is a 9/5 Jacks thread, but could you find some other "less inferior" game to earn spendable points? For example, 98.9% Airport/Illinois Deuces.

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