Finding a mistake

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FAA
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Re: Finding a mistake

Post by FAA »

I'd play, play, play too. Can you really lose? +$2,000 is a dream!!!

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Post by dinghy »

FAA wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:35 pm
Can you really lose?
Excluding royals and straight flushes, it's a breakeven game, so you would need some volume to be assured of profitability. Slot club could add value, if you dared to use your card.

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Post by BobDancer »

10/7 Jacks or Better is very definitely more than 100%. It's close to 102%, with a slot club (if you used one.) Most times I've seen such pay schedules, two pair is only 1-1 rather than 2-1, or three of a kind is 2-1 rather than 3-1. I'm skeptical of what you claim, but it's at least possible that this exists.

another possibility is that it isn't straight video poker. it has some other feature where you play more than 5 coins per line.

If the game is for dollars or higher and you're interested in selling your information and it's still good, i'm a buyer. Email me at bobdancerlasvegas@yahoo.com and we can discuss.

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Post by DougJ »

Answers to all questions:

(1) This bank of 3 machines was not a progressive. So, no "progressive dump."
(2) These paytables on JOB and Bonus Poker lasted 16 days.
(3) I didn't use a slot club card.
(4) I have no information to sell . . . as I said in my original post, the paytables were reset over New Year's weekend. They are still "good" paytables, but not over 100%
(5) The bank of 3 machines were all multi-denomination.
(6) This casino does not offer FPDW.
(7) The 3 machines did not have any "feature" where you play more than 5 coins per line (i.e. this was not a game like Super Times Pay, since I never play "carnival games." It was plain vanilla video poker with a selection of games, only two of which had the unusual paytables. And yes, both games paid 2-1 on two pair, etc. (everything "regular" except the full house/flush.)

I have zero idea how this occurred, having no knowledge of how techs set the tables. That's why I called this a "mistake."
Additional note: my daughter, who lives in Chicago, came out here during this time period, as she plays higher denomination than me. In 3 hours of play, she walked away with four W2G's.
I had an inordinate amount of full houses, atypical for me playing Bonus Poker, but, to me, it's the "bread and butter" of a winning session.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

I agree on the full houses. I have had job sessions where as a replacement, I get 3 full houses very close together. That makes up for the lack of quads and keeps you going and most of the bankroll intact. One time in particular I remember. It was a quadless job session, but full houses kept me going. The machine kept dealing me 3 to a Royal. Must have been more than 20 times in just over an hour. The Royal finally hit in that session, but it was the many full houses that ket me going until it did.

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Post by advantage playe »

DougJ wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:04 pm
Answers to all questions:

(1) This bank of 3 machines was not a progressive. So, no "progressive dump."
(2) These paytables on JOB and Bonus Poker lasted 16 days.
(3) I didn't use a slot club card.
(4) I have no information to sell . . . as I said in my original post, the paytables were reset over New Year's weekend. They are still "good" paytables, but not over 100%
(5) The bank of 3 machines were all multi-denomination.
(6) This casino does not offer FPDW.
(7) The 3 machines did not have any "feature" where you play more than 5 coins per line (i.e. this was not a game like Super Times Pay, since I never play "carnival games." It was plain vanilla video poker with a selection of games, only two of which had the unusual paytables. And yes, both games paid 2-1 on two pair, etc. (everything "regular" except the full house/flush.)

I have zero idea how this occurred, having no knowledge of how techs set the tables. That's why I called this a "mistake."
Additional note: my daughter, who lives in Chicago, came out here during this time period, as she plays higher denomination than me. In 3 hours of play, she walked away with four W2G's.
I had an inordinate amount of full houses, atypical for me playing Bonus Poker, but, to me, it's the "bread and butter" of a winning session.
thanks for your response ! you had ,what they call in the oil exploration business an elephant !! for a brief time . if it happens again tell no one , as bob dancer i am sure will concur !

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Post by dinghy »

DougJ wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:04 pm
I had an inordinate amount of full houses, atypical for me playing Bonus Poker, but, to me, it's the "bread and butter" of a winning session.
I calculate 11.5% EV from full houses, vs only 9.2% for regular (8/5) Bonus Poker. The 11.5% actually exceeds the value of everything above combined (quads, SFs & royals). Conveniently, I don't see any significant strategy adjustments compared to regular Bonus Poker.

Convenient, but not ideal for longevity. If a 102% game is to have any chance of survival, it needs a difficult strategy. FPDW is almost extinct, possibly because players improved as the game became very familiar. I think casinos should have tried substituting full-pay Joker Wild which could possibly still be profitable despite the theoretical player edge.

Thanks for all the detail on your adventure. I think scouting is actually a more advanced skill than playing.

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Post by applepear86 »

DougJ wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:08 pm
Standard video poker (I never play "carnival games" like Ultimate X or Dream Card, etc.).

Bonus Poker: 10/6.

JOB: 10/7.

All the rest of the tables were "normal" pays for straights, etc.
Always play left behind multipliers on ultimate x tho ;p. i've gotten over +$500 this year in +EV from them, although most of that was on 50 cent and dollar level high limit ones, good luck getting anything worthwhile on the nickels and dimes. What's funny is they're almost always left on DDB :lol:

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Post by applepear86 »

olds442jetaway wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:18 pm
I agree on the full houses. I have had job sessions where as a replacement, I get 3 full houses very close together. That makes up for the lack of quads and keeps you going and most of the bankroll intact. One time in particular I remember. It was a quadless job session, but full houses kept me going. The machine kept dealing me 3 to a Royal. Must have been more than 20 times in just over an hour. The Royal finally hit in that session, but it was the many full houses that ket me going until it did.
I find two pair and 3 of a kind droughts are what kill sessions :cry: The WORST is when you get neither of those, and you just keep getting pushes on face card pairs. 200 coins gone in 20 minutes easily! :x

4 of a kinds are hit or miss for me, the meat of the game seems to be largely in those two payouts: two-pair and 3 of a kind. Although a lack of full houses or flushes suck as well. For the longest time I didn't get any flushes almost ever, and then I had a session recently where EVERY flush draw won, and I think that made up for the many thousands of hands drought I had for them :lol:

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Post by Lucky Larry »

DougJ,
Congratulations on you finding a diamond in the rough! Enjoy it while it lasts when you find one.

The same thing happened to me. In 2018 I found a single machine (one of two)100 play machines that mistakenly had 99% return for DW and Bonus as compared to the general 97% return on all other games throughout the casino. I'm assuming a download mistake by a tech. I quietly played the machine for over a year before I had a dream weekend of eight 25¢ Royals on the machine over a weekend trip. This included 4 on one hand of deuces wild and 3 more on Bonus. The next trip my "golden goose" had been reprogramed back to 97%. I'm sure the regular machine payout report blew the slot director out of his/her seat. Bye Bye high pay table! Over that year I pulled 26 Royal Flushes off those two games. I also paid a huge tax bill and our Medicare Premiums went up as a result of the taxes. That same machine also dealt me 4 deuces several times on multiple hands and 4 Aces on Bonus several times on multiple hands. Gosh darn I miss those days. Now I'm waiting for COVID to go away. I know of another favorite machine which is shut down for spacing that has 99.9% DBDW. Keep searching you never no when you may find another diamond or golden goose.

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