RNG Redux

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Kasfeldt7
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Re: RNG Redux

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Tedlark wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:40 am
Kasfeldt7 - In your very first post in these forums you stated that you were "jumping back into VP after taking a break for several years." You went on to say that you "hit a royal flush and promptly quit playing VP."

Your post here in this thread does a pretty good job of slamming Native American owned casinos across the board and you end the post by stating "Player beware."

So, did you continue to gamble at your local Native American owned casino? If yes, what games of chance did you play? If you hit a royal and then promptly quit after hitting it, why did you stop playing VP?

As I, and others, have stated ad nauseam here: If a player feels that something is amiss, don't play.
Thats right Tedlark. And I stand by what I said. Facts are facts. Do you have some facts pointing to the contrary here in WI? If you feel pointing out abysmal RTPs is "slamming" WI casinos, then I'm happy to do so.

If you would have read my post (and not immediately jumped to a false conclusion) you'd see I pointed out concerns with compacts here in WI, not "across the board." But I, and others, suspect many native casino have compacts with their respective states that are similar.

I'm not the first to have concerns about the integrity of Native casinos. Some are better than other. That being said I know of at least one tribal VP machine was found suspect on the east coast. In addition I've worked in Native casinos. What's your background with Native casinos?

Why I stopped playing VP at that casino should be self explanatory to you Tedlark. I prefer not to play in loosely regulated casinos. I got lucky.

Frankly, it's none of your business why or what I play. But to answer your question, I started playing again because more regulated casinos opened up south of the border that are within reasonable driving distance.

You closing comment is my whole point.

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Post by Tedlark »

The very first sentence in your first post stated: " Which is why you should defiantly not play Native casino VP machines."

No where in that first sentence did you say WI or local casino.

What concrete factual information information do you possess to back up your position?

You did NOT say that stopped playing VP at that casino, you said that you PROMPTLY QUIT PLAYINBG VP. Anyone interpreting this would take it at face value to mean that you quit playing VP entirely. Not just at your local casino.

Best of luck to you in the recently opened northern Illinois casinos.

The closing comment that I made was my entire point, one that you were smart enough to heed.

Edited to add: I have played in Native American owned casinos all across the United States.

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Post by Tedlark »

I apologize to all for the following spelling errors I made in the above post:

defiantly should be replaced by definitely
PLAYINBG should be replaced by PLAYING

So unlike me.

Time for a nap.....

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My apologies. I didn't realize you struggle understanding supporting sentences and overall context as related to first sentence. Next time I'll be more precise for you so you don't get confused.

What concrete factual evidence? I already gave you the information. I quoted from the original Potowatomi compact w the state. How is that not "factual information"?

It's all easy to verify everthing I said on the OIGRC webpage. I'm sure you're smart enough to look it up yourself. Read the Potowatomi compact. It's all in black and white for your disbelieving eyes.

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Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:09 pm
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Post by Tedlark »

Kasfeldt7 wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:30 pm
My apologies. I didn't realize you struggle understanding supporting sentences and overall context as related to first sentence. Next time I'll be more precise for you so you don't get confused.

What concrete factual evidence? I already gave you the information. I quoted from the original Potowatomi compact w the state. How is that not "factual information"?

It's all easy to verify everthing I said on the OIGRC webpage. I'm sure you're smart enough to look it up yourself. Read the Potowatomi compact. It's all in black and white for your disbelieving eyes.
We're moving in very small circles here. First, stop with the personal insults. Have I personally insulted you?

I asked you to provide concrete factual evidence backing up your position that something is wrong with VP at Native American owned casinos. Other than you writing payback percentages must be set to 83 - 100% back to the player, you have offered nothing else. Those very same payback percentages are what the State of Illinois requires establishments (bars, restaurants, etc., NOT casinos) that offer video gaming to return to the player. Just for the sake of comparison, have you looked up payback percentages for the other casinos at which you now risk your money in? Personally, I have not looked them up for a couple reasons. First, I don't care and, second, I am not a disgruntled gambler who cries when I lose.

Again, best of luck to you with your gambling.

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Post by Kasfeldt7 »

Tedlark, if you don't like snarky replies, don't leave them for others. If you do, expect the same in return.

Show me "concrete factual evidence" that Illinois that VP games, not slots, are set in IL to payback 83-100%. Again, machines affected by player skill, not slots. I'd like to see that. If it's true, I'd like to know.

Paying back 83-100% on slot machines is entirely different than a randomly shuffled deck of 52 on VP. Paying back 83-100% on video blackjack is entirely different than playing, say, a six or eight deck shoe shuffled continuously. By limiting the payback, you limit the number of specific hands given, for instance blackjacks. There is a huge difference.

I'm not saying this is happening at native casinos. I have no proof of that. But per the wording of the compact, at least here in WI, it certainly could be. I'll stand of the advice of guys like Bob Dancer and Dan Paymar that have offered the same advice of native casinos, "Player Beware." I'll give you the references should you desire them.

Yes I do check RTP if I intend to play slots. A game I rarely play. You'd be a fool not to if you're a slot player.

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Post by Kasfeldt7 »

"Other than you writing payback percentages must be set to 83 - 100% back to the player, you have offered nothing else. Those very same payback percentages are what the State of Illinois requires establishments (bars, restaurants, etc., NOT casinos) that offer video gaming to return to the player."

I missed your parenthetical remark, "NOT casinos." So I don't know what your point is. I would never play any games offered in bars, restaurants, etc. Comparing Potowatomi to a bar is apples and oranges.

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Post by Tedlark »

I will add this before I excuse myself from making any more posts in this thread:

There is a world of difference between a personal attack and a snarky response.

Again, best of luck to you where ever you choose to pace a wager.

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"Other than you writing payback percentages must be set to 83 - 100% back to the player, you have offered nothing else. Those very same payback percentages are what the State of Illinois requires establishments (bars, restaurants, etc., NOT casinos) that offer video gaming to return to the player."

Comparing VGTs to casino games is ridiculous.

More proof of my assertions that you dismiss..."you have offered nothing else."

https://doa.wi.gov/Pages/AboutDOA/Common-Questions.aspx

A regulatory board that has no power. Certainly inspires confidence for the gambler.

In addition, again, read the compact. Audits are not available to the public. Other states readily made complaints public. If you want to be perceived on the "up and up" don't hide things.

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