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% pay back
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:49 am
by rfonlymama
I noticed last week in Dubuque, IA (Diamond Jo Casino) that all their $1 DDB machines were 9/6 but the royals starte at $6000 and each machine was it's own progressive.
To my math wizards that I depend on: does the higher payback increase the payback %? I'm assuming it raises it but I never did that well in statistics class!!!!!
Re: % pay back
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:24 pm
by jm002546
That increases the payout about 1%, even with no change to strategy
Re: % pay back
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:00 pm
by New2vp
jm hit it right on the head. These games are almost positive with no strategy changes from standard DDB 9/6. When the progressive reaches or exceeds $6079.17, standard strategy will be positive. The strategy changes to employ are essentially to hold the 2-card and 3-card royals more often. At the reset value, perfect play yields 100.0888% on average.
Re: % pay back
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:48 pm
by mickey crimm
jm hit it right on the head. These games are almost positive with no strategy changes from standard DDB 9/6. When the progressive reaches or exceeds $6079.17, standard strategy will be positive. The strategy changes to employ are essentially to hold the 2-card and 3-card royals more often. At the reset value, perfect play yields 100.0888% on average.
Another thing one needs to know is how fast are the progressive meters running on these machines. This will tell a pro alot. I'm guessing the meters run very slow like .1% or .2%, maybe .25%. But, who knows, maybe they're running at .5% or better.
These meters will be easy to time since the machines are individuals. Just bet one coin at a time until the meter flips a penny. Then continue betting one coin at a time counting the number of coins it takes to get it to flip another penny. If it takes 10 coins to get it to flip a penny it's a .1% meter; 5 coins = .2%; 2 coins = .5%. In the case of a .25% meter you would have to bet 20 coins to get it to move 5 cents. Knowing meter speed tells one if they should monitor a particular progressive bank.
In this case the game is essentially at breakeven at reset. Bankroll requirements would be high for this high variance game. Most pros would want a win factor so would not play at reset. But there are other factors like what is the slot card worth.
Re: % pay back
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:55 pm
by EDC1977
I've always understood the 9/6 machine to be at 98.98 plus .1 for the progressive will put it near 100. Jeez,this is Shadow and new2vp territory.
Re: % pay back
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:00 pm
by rfonlymama
thanks you guys....I knew I could depend on you