How does RNG work in 3/5/10 play?

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olds442jetaway
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Re: How does RNG work in 3/5/10 play?

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Answer to AP. Doing OK except for winning at Bizarro World. Hoping for a compressed winning session. That seems to be the routine this year.

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tech58 wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:09 am
Yes.
Most older VP machines there have either been replaced or reprogrammed to server based.
I have very limited computer knowledge but I believe that this allows them to alter pay-tables and games offered and the like. Which is as it should be.
However this, at least in my mind, begs a question. Is it "possible" for a machine owner to alter the RNG in such a way that shifts the outcomes of hands in their favor, or is the RNG function in ROM and in-accessible to them?
I believe that the RNG function is programmed in when the machine is manufactured and is highly controlled, regulated, and verified by inspections, in tightly controlled markets like Vegas and AC.
But in Indian-land there is no inspectors or regulatory agencies that I have been able to find.
Our casino has a "compliance" office manned by casino employees. Which amounts to the fox guarding the chicken-coop.

I am interested in any info. I can get on this subject. I have absolutely no knowledge of anything wrong going on.

My initial effort to see if any inspections are occurring was a call to State Gaming Commission. They informed me that they have nothing to do with regulating Indian casinos. I asked the person on the line if he knew who does. I quote his answer: "As far as I know, nobody does. But you could try the Bureau Of Indian Affairs or the Indian Gaming Regulatory Commission."

Multiple tries to do that were totally fruitless. No one ever returned my calls. Not surprising.

Still curious and still searching. Any help would be appreciated.
I simply believe that each of us has the right to expect a fair and honest game with verification.
I have no idea what state you are in but here in Arizona, "The Amended Tribal-State Gaming Compacts (Compact) were signed into law by Governor Doug Ducey and the Arizona Tribes on April 15, 2021 and became effective on May 24, 2021.

The Compact sets forth the types of permitted games, adopted technical standards for gaming machines, authorizes the State to inspect casinos, requires background investigations and licensing of casino employees and vendor companies, and requires Tribes to contribute a portion of their net gaming revenues to state and local governments." As noted, the State gaming commission can inspect tribal casinos and has significant authority regarding the operation of tribal casinos. This was the case in the original compact, which was amended and expanded. If you are really interested, here is a link to the compact and its appendences. https://gaming.az.gov/tribal-gaming/gam ... ng-compact

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Post by tech58 »

Thanks OB. I read the AZ. info. from a link in a former thread posted by you.

Our casino is in Michigan. In the past there was a similar pact but it was voided when the State allowed the three regular casinos in Detroit. There was supposed to be negotiations on anew compact but no progress for several years. The State of Michigan does NOT regulate Indian casinos.
Wish they did.

The casino claims to be regulated by Federal agencies. As stated earlier my efforts to contact the Indian Gaming Regulatory Commission and the Bureau of Indian Affairs has dead-ended.
Not surprising.

Also a comment to AP. I read the Paymer article and another that stated exactly the opposite. Can't recall the author of that one.
Would like any info either way if anyone could help.
Wildman told me about an article by Bob Dancer about Indian casinos but i have been unable to find it.
If Bob is lurking out there he may be a source of info. on this subject.

It is a mystery in my mind as to why more members are not interested in this critical subject.
If you play in an Indian casino with a strong compact like AZ. you are apparently in good shape.
Do not know how many other States have similar compacts.

But my best guess so far for Michigan is we may be getting screwed and not even know it!
We look at the pay-table and think we know the odds of the game but the other key factor, the RNG, may be open to manipulation!

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tech58. You are mostly wrong. In the State of Michigan it depends on which Class of gaming is going on at an "Indian Casino" in the State of Michigan.

If Class II gaming is going on, the State of Michigan does not regulate and it is partially regulated on the Federal level along with self-regulation by tribal authority.

If Class III gaming is going on in "Indian Casinos," the State of Michigan DOES REGULATE these operations.

As I (and many others) have stated numerous times before: If you feel that something is amiss at a casino DO NOT PLAY.

I hope Walgreens has aspirin on sale this week.....

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Post by advantage playe »

the class 2 r video lottery terminals. the class 3 r rng , hopefully. the pay tables on class 2 r meaningless if my failing memory serves. ibuprophen is more effective than asprin , just be sure to have food in your stomach with either one !

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Tedlark wrote:
Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:13 am
tech58. You are mostly wrong. In the State of Michigan it depends on which Class of gaming is going on at an "Indian Casino" in the State of Michigan.


If Class III gaming is going on in "Indian Casinos," the State of Michigan DOES REGULATE these operations.

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TED this sign is on the wall at Soaring Eagle. The bottom of the sign tells all.

I am not going to get into what I see week after week month after month, many on this site just throw cold water on it. Not many play enough hands on a weekly basis to see or understand what I see.

Something is not right on a % payback in this casino.

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Post by Tedlark »

wildman -

The gaming machines in that particular casino are Class II VLT's. Play at your own risk.

Four Winds Casino in New Buffalo, MI has a compact with the State of Michigan and this allows them to have Class III gaming devices in their casino and thusly, they are regulated by the State of Michigan.

As I have previously mentioned in another thread, Four Winds opened a casino in South Bend, IN and at that time I stated that I WOULD NOT be gambling there as the casino DID NOT have a compact with the State of Indiana and thusly would have Class II VLT gamming devices. This has since changed and a compact between the owners of Four Winds Casino in South Bend, IN and the State of Indiana was struck, the gaming devices in Four Winds, South Bend, IN are now Class III and are regulated by the State of Indiana.

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Tedlark wrote:
Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 am
wildman -

The gaming machines in that particular casino are Class II VLT's. Play at your own risk.

Ted I don't know that much about class2 or 3 but thought there has to be a bingo game playing on the screen with poker hand or a bingo card somewhere on the machine so you know its a class 2.

I think from everything I can see they are class 3, but not 100% sure.

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Post by tech58 »

You are RIGHT Wildman and Ted is totally WRONG!
The sign you posted blows up one-half of his post, the State of Michigan does NOT regulate our casino!
There is NO COMPACT between our casino and the State of Michigan it was voided several years ago for reasons already covered. A compact is NOT necessary to operate Class 3 in our State.

As to the class of the machines we play, there is no question they are Class 3. Class 2 machines are easily identifiable and play totally whacky.
Some Indian casinos in other states do have Class 2 and some people assume that is the case in all casinos.
Wildman you have recently posted pic's of nice hits on machines we play. Anyone on this site who knows our game can look at those and tell what class they are. Some people never learn because they already know it all

As to anyones comments about what I believe and where I play they are a meaningless waste of time and I treat them as such.

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Post by Tedlark »

I SURRENDER!!!

tech58 - You really are clueless but best of luck to you anyway.

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