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Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:41 am
by billryan
Lately I been chasing a lot of bar bonuses and am running into machines that offer a double up option.
After you win, you get that option. If you take it, five cards are dealt. The first card is turned over and is the house card. You pick one of the four. It's like war.
I'm not sure how many times you can double if you keep winning.
A couple nice doubles can make your session, and a few bad ones can ruin it.
As it seems to be a 50-50 bet that,in the end,simply results in fewer paying hands per hour,I'm surprised it's offered.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:12 pm
by Chicagoan
I would be interested in learning how the math works in double or nothing. I sat next to a young woman in a casino who was making a killing on this feature. Every time I've tried it I've busted.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:57 pm
by Carcounter
Yes, at 50/50 it's one of the best bets in the casino. I once mistakenly hit the double up feature after a $300 win on .50 SDB, and after cursing at myself, was pleasantly surprised when the dealer turned over a 3. I turned over a 9, but never want to make that mistake again.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:20 pm
by billryan
I'm hoping Mr Dancer has looked at these bets and comment on them.Limited observation shows they aren't very common in casinos.
Also curious if the wagers count as coin in.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:45 pm
by Waiting4RF
I remember reading that the bet does not count as coin so the bet was not recommended.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:53 pm
by New2vp
http://wizardofvegas.com/articles/Doubl ... eature/The Wizard of Vegas article has a hyperlink to a 2015 Bob Dancer article, but the internal hyperlink connected (for me at least) to the most current 2018 article.Happy reading!!

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:38 pm
by Vman96
I've read on Wizard of Vegas that it will often let you double up to amounts under 20,000 credits.

And the math is simple Chicagoan. You get a full win when you win, a full loss when you lose, and a push when you tie. So as long as you believe the cards are dealt from a random, standard deck, the house edge on this is nothing. Many states mandate these features must return 100% long term.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:07 pm
by FAA
In my case, on the reveal only one of the four cards beats the house's big fat card. Not a good bet. I usually get smoked and torched on this. Once burned, twice shy. Not part of the comp equation, so a bad bargain all around.

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:25 pm
by Vman96
In my case, on the reveal only one of the four cards beats the house's big fat card. Not a good bet. I usually get smoked and torched on this. Once burned, twice shy. Not part of the comp equation, so a bad bargain all around.

If I gave you 100 to 1 if you lost (a push doesn't count as a loss) 60 or more times out of a 100 double-up attempts, would you take that bet?

Re: Games with double up options

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:49 am
by DaBurglar


[QUOTE=FAA] In my case, on the reveal only one of the four cards beats the house's big fat card. Not a good bet. I usually get smoked and torched on this. Once burned, twice shy. Not part of the comp equation, so a bad bargain all around.

If I gave you 100 to 1 if you lost (a push doesn't count as a loss) 60 or more times out of a 100 double-up attempts, would you take that bet?[/QUOTE]You should pitch THIS (the posing of a MATH question requiring analytical reasoning and calculation) as a actual casino game concept....you'd rake it in because the average American is horrible at Math, and the average American CASINO player is even MORE horrible, lol.    Think about it, the table game would advertise something like "Math Class Roulette: Min Bet $5  Max $500".....the player would be given a math problem/question and have a time limit to complete his solution/analysis.....Your above question (which is conducive to a simple "YES or NO" answer format) gives any prospective player a 50-50 chance!!!!!!  I won't spoil the answer to the actual, real question until FAA makes a response......