Are $5 Games Beatable?

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Player422738
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Re: Are $5 Games Beatable?

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Csak47100 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:39 pm
My bankroll is 200 k , and I can stand swings but I’m practicing everyday now . So if I want to strictly just coin in 50 k each casino , is it best to play 5 play ( 5 lines )5$ JOB 9/6 rather than single line $25 right ?
With 200k bank roll, you can turn it into 250k easy investing index funds and hold for long term. 15% yearly increase is way better than risking it in casino. Ur edge is very small even u have one if you play VP.

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Post by BobDancer »

hophoofer wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:51 pm
Csak47100 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:39 pm
My bankroll is 200 k , and I can stand swings but I’m practicing everyday now . So if I want to strictly just coin in 50 k each casino , is it best to play 5 play ( 5 lines )5$ JOB 9/6 rather than single line $25 right ?
Yes. If you bet same wager per deal and play 5 play, the variance is about 1/5 of the single play assuming you are playing same pay table. However the odds are same.
Yes and no.

The games both return 99.54% if you're playing well. With $50K daily, I assume you're playing in the Caesars system.

Different games have different theoreticals. Why this is important is the size of the mailers down the road. Usually the theoretical on a $5 game is higher than a $1 Five Play game.

to find out, some hosts will tell you. They are, after all, paid for being your friend and often don't know the value of the information they are dispensing. Play one day on $1 Five Play and the next on $5 single line. Go up to a host and ask them if they can tell you how much your theoretical was on each of the two days. In your case, since a $200K bankroll won't be threatened by swings on this game, go with the machine with the higher theoretical.

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Post by Csak47100 »

Hey bob , thanks for input . I didn’t know five play offer is generally worse than single like with same house edge . Although that makes sense because one of the casinos I played told me the point multiplier tony apply for five play games , probably since it lowers variance they don’t want players to abuse the promotion.


My game got significantly better after the training software ! I had 3 big winning sessions after losing 10 sessions in a row . I’m sure my skill before practicing was very poor and I’m scared to even know how much EV I threw away , I should have practiced on this site before I went crazy with $5 table . I been getting lot of quads and some royals already . My favorite game is DDB 9/6 , even though I know JOB9/6 has lower house edge , it shouldn’t matter too much because most of the casinos give offers by house edge and theoretical right ? So DDB (98.98% he ) should get close to around double offer than JOB(99.54% he ) is that correct ? Also does VP offer much better than BJ even though the theoretical is the same ? Say your theoretical for the session was $-500 on vp 5 months ago and $-500 on BJ today . Is VP offer gonna be bigger than BJ ?

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Post by BobDancer »

The theoreticals on games vary by casino.

I have not studied the ins and outs of video blackjack so I can't comment there

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Post by Csak47100 »

Hello I was talking about table games blackjack. Do you know if casinos tend to give bigger offer to the vp players than table bj even though the theoretical loss amount is the same?

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Post by advantage playe »

depends if the casino is striping the shoe of a few aces and tens where they wont care if u r counting .u will be just be ROBBED FLAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by olds442jetaway »

I never thought to ask a host about theoreticals for playing different games, but I will be sure to now. I know in general at least at Mohegan Sun, they frown on vp players of 99 percent games by not paying points one can spend. They have been doing that since August 2011. They only award tier points to players of those games. The result for me on that decision has not been good. I used to carry 9,000 points worth 9,000 spendable dollars all of the time. I gave been at zero give or take for a couple of years. I will definitely have to look into this myself. For the same game at Foxwoods at the dollar level, I do earn points I can spend at about the same rate of one point worth one dollar for roughly 500 bucks coin. Some days it is double or tripple that. Still no bargain. I will check, but I doubt playing a game less than 99 percent will be worth the extra comps I might get from playing a 98 percent game. If my average 8 or 10 hour session with about 20k coin in costs me an extra 200 bucks for that 1 percent difference in the paytable, that is a lot of comp to make up.

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Post by Tango2222 »

I am sorry, but I am relatively new here. Can someone explain to me what a "theoretical" is? I have been playing Hot Roll Videopoker Multi Hand at Encore in Boston and I am receiving about $440.00 in free slot play per month.

how do I put it through meaninful analysis?

Thank you in advance!

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Post by calwatch »

Theoretical is just the percentage of house edge over time. So in Bob's example of the 9/6 Jacks or Better player, $100,000 coin in would be $460 theoretical, since the house edge is (100 - 99.54% = 0.46%).

These opportunities do exist still, I have one local casino which has a great 10 play 9/6 JOB game at quarters, 50 cents, and dollars. For $15k in play a week I am getting $15 in points, $90-150 a week in mailers (depending on what day of the week I go), and $20 in food. It is not enough to make a large profit but definitely +EV. I wish I had the bankroll to consistently go $50 a spin for a few hours to see what $30-40k a week would bring, but then that would give me things like concert tickets and cruises that I couldn't use. Another casino which also offers 9/6 JOB, NSUD, etc. I put a similar amount of play in and only got $8 in points and $20 in free play a week. You can tell which place I'm going, at least until they wise up.

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Post by onemoretry »

calwatch wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2023 7:42 pm
Theoretical is just the percentage of house edge over time. So in Bob's example of the 9/6 Jacks or Better player, $100,000 coin in would be $460 theoretical, since the house edge is (100 - 99.54% = 0.46%).
To me, Bob Dancer's posts disagree with the idea that the house "theo" is based solely on the long term game return. He indicates, for example, that some casinos have different "theos" for different denominations.

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