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Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:00 am
by ejs9114
Am I the only players, in some 4 hours of playing, has yet to be dealt a hand higher than a flush on the deal.  Is this really a random number chip?  I'm just a trial member, but while playing 100 hand for hours, at least one full house would have been dealt.  At casinos, it happens quite often.

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:44 am
by shadowman
A FH is dealt once in every 694 hands on average. Since 100-play is typically slow I suspect you would be playing at no better than 400 hands an hour or around 1600 total hands. You should have seen 2+ dealt FHs in that time, however, not seeing any is certainly not unusual by any means.
For example, I've now gone over 15,000 hands in a real casino with seeing a single 4RF (average once every 2777 hands). I should have seen more than 5.
 
Here's a link to some dealt hand cycle times:
 
http://videopoker.fws1.com/5-cards-dealt.htm
 

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:19 pm
by BOOPSAHOY
Whats the cycle for dealt 5trees ACJW?

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:09 pm
by faygo
Whats the cycle for dealt 5trees ACJW?
 
Probability = .009%
Occurance= Every 10,994 Hands
 
By contrast, same game for the  Royal.
 
Probability = .002%
Occurance = Every 63,287 Hands

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:02 pm
by shadowman
Faygo, you must have missed the word "dealt". You are referring to the overall cycle time. There are 13 possible dealt 5trees. 2598960/13 = 199920 hands.

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:09 pm
by faygo
Faygo, you must have missed the word "dealt". You are referring to the overall cycle time. There are 13 possible dealt 5trees. 2598960/13 = 199920 hands.
 
So much for being a graduate of the Evelyn Woods speed reading class.

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:22 pm
by Webman

 
So much for being a graduate of the Evelyn Woods speed reading class. "Reading at the speed of dial-up since 1992"

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:11 pm
by New2vp


S-man, you forgot to adjust for the 53-card deck (instead of the normal 52) when the Joker is added.  The dealt cycle time for 5-trees in AC Joker is 2,869,685/13 = 220,745, about 5 1/2 weeks of 40 hour per week pounding if you play 1000 hands per hour.  Still a very long time.Since you can play faster than that, it is understandable that your cycle time would be shorter.

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:52 pm
by shadowman
New2vp, right you are. It also ups the value for a dealt RF. Good thing I play with only a 52 card deck so I don't have to wait so long. 

Re: Full house missing on deal in 100 hand

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:50 pm
by New2vp

From what I've read, you always are playing with a full deck, unlike some of those you've had to school now and then.