Horrific Harrah's

[FAA]

Harrah's full pay VP is horrendous, based on today's lengthy session. It took me roughly 900 hands with $700 coin in to get a quad. Lost $53 on machine. Moved, but even worse. $500 coin in, no quads, lost $55. The guy before me lost his shirt on it, so I hoped for a thaw. Too noisy on Sat. like everywhere else. I won $61 at Bally's and $10 at Caesars. Progressive was $1,007. Not returning to Horrors without a lock box. I always seem to lose there. I'm over it. Not worth the trip from the boardwalk at all. Lambs to the slaughter.

[olds442jetaway]

     I don't know why, but Royal money seems to vanish like an ice cube on a hot sidewalk. Even if you don't change your play or anything, it just seems to get eaten up. Hang in there. I'm sure you still have most of it. Maybe even take a break or two. My last Royal in Jan 2016, was gone in just a couple of sessions. My session Friday night and Sat morning was another bust and a partial failed discipline session. No Royals, quad deuces, and only 1 Wild Royal. I can't count this session though toward my game plan. Those only are counted on non failed discipline sessions where I stick to my plan perfectly. Notice I said no quad deuces. That was true on the quarter game. However, I made the mistake of taking my remaining 6.25 ticket and putting it in on a nickel game. You knew it before I typed it....quad deuces within 3 minutes on the nickel game. Put that back in the quarter game and POOF!!!! gone like the hail stones that just melted this morning.

[FAA]

Misery loves company. I chose the wrong casino. DB warned us with his miserable Dec. session, but I forgot the lesson. The other two CETs are actually playable. My statement will be in the red for Harrah's no matter what. People have maintained streaks post Royal, but not us. Harrah's VP is on par with Resorts and Taj. Just a more elegant venue to lose in perpetuity.

[BobDancer]

900 hands of bad luck means nothing. At "good" and "bad" casinos, playing good or bad games, you will have winning and losing streaks much longer than that.Beware of making permanent decisions (e.g. I will NEVER play at xxxx again) on very short term swings. That's like marrying somebody after knowing them for only 5 minutes --- or divorcing someone over one relatively minor argument. It takes time to gather relevant information.If you really believe machines of a particular pay schedule at a particular casino are unfair --- there are rather simple Bayesian tests you can set up to test your theory. See any statistics textbook for information on how to do this.But your test must be set up BEFORE you see the results. Looking at the results first and THEN deciding a game is unfair is the wrong way to go about it.It's the wrong way to go about it if your a professional player. It's also the wrong way if you're a recreational player.

[doris13]

since both jeter and i have had some success at harrahs AC i wouldn't consider writing it off.

[FAA]

Actually 1500 hopeless hands counting the second moribund machine. Plus last year's dud session. I am stupefied by Doris and Jeter's ability to skirt disaster, on higher variance games no less. They may be the outliers with DB and I among the suckers smack in the bell curve center. I was looking for success stories. Two awful visits, back to last year. Maybe another shot to redeem themselves.

[olds442jetaway]

     I have to agree with Bob and Doris on this one. Long term results really does mean long term and could be more than one's lifetime. That is just how the math goes. For this to fly, we of course have to assume the machines are on the up and up with no monkey business involved. That question will probably never be answered where there is concrete proof. We only have our own long term results to go by and that is where the problem lies. What is " long term ".

[jetermacaw]

FAAs diatribe about what is good and bad is based on such small amounts of play it doesn't warrant a response, but Bob did so there's your answer.

[FAA]

So far a wash: two singed Harrah's burn victims and two lucky survivalist adherents. I cannot adequately describe the appalling dud rate. DB, who has since dumped local VP, will surely back me up in due time. But fair enough, another two visits for a more educated opinion. I threw Bally's under the bus and declared it an ice cold dump for over a year until last week's Royal Flush. Now I actually welcome the environment. So I can potentially undergo a similar "evolution." At least have me break even first. It has been a relentless tsunami thus far. Insert your own natural disaster.