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Lousy "Aces and Eights"?
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:00 pm
by Jstark
When I first saw this, I thought WTF!?!? 4 aces or 8's only 125 instead of 400. Any one know the payback for these? I don't have to tools to figure out for the sequential royal flush.
P.S. Ignore the second $2 game. It's a duplicate.
Re: Lousy "Aces and Eights"?
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:18 am
by New2vp
As you no doubt presumed, the lower payouts for the "special" quads mean that these games are simply 8-5 or 7-5 Jacks or Better with the added sequential.
I never know for certain whether "sequential" means that the extra royal payout is good only for the 10-J-Q-K-A ordering or will also pay out for A-K-Q-J-10 sequence.
In general, the one-way extra is worth about an extra 0.191% in EV withOUT making any adjustments from the regular Jacks or Better strategy. If you know the strategy changes and make them, the 0.191% is bumped up to 0.235%.
And you can pretty much double those additions if the sequential royal payout applies for both forward and backward directions.
With that said the $2 game above (8-5) pays out 97.5335% if you incorporate strategy corrections due to the sequential bonus for the 1-way game and 97.7686% for the 2-way game.
The 25-cent game above (7-5) pays out 96.3824% if you incorporate strategy corrections due to the sequential bonus for the 1-way game and 96.6176% for the 2-way game.
Re: Lousy "Aces and Eights"?
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:27 am
by Jstark
I'm more curious if the quad A's & 8's pay was an error on IGT's part or intentional. Why even name the game that if your going to take away that bonus payoff?! All 4 machines in this bank were the same.
Re: Lousy "Aces and Eights"?
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:34 pm
by New2vp
If the Quad Aces and Eights were payable at 400 as in the original game, the 2-way sequential EV for 8-5 would be 100.2507%. The 1-way sequential EV would be 100.0163%. Standard 8-5 Aces and Eights has an EV of 99.7818%. So the add-ons are essentially the same as regular Jacks or Better.
No idea how to determine whether the change in pay schedule was intentional or accidental on behalf of any party.
Re: Lousy "Aces and Eights"?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:29 pm
by Vman96
I swear i have seen this at another casino too, but I can't remember where now...grrr
Re: Lousy "Aces and Eights"?
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:13 pm
by Vman96
Vman96 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:29 pm
I swear i have seen this at another casino too, but I can't remember where now...grrr
Southland park in Arkansas maybe?
Intentional or not? Meh. But it shouldn't be allowed. Or call the games 7s Bonus Poker at least. Lol