Dream Card Paytable

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Dream Card Paytable

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This is a 3 hand Jacks or Better machine. 4000-250-125-45(fh)-40(fl)-30-20-10-5 on the help screen it says Dream Card activated an avg. of 17.50%. I have tried different ways of plugging it into Wizard. I think maybe the 3 hands throws things off? Because i am getting like 76% Please Help!

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This is a nickel machine 10 credits a line, 3 lines so $1.50 a spin.

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hophoofer wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:13 am
9/6 JoB on DC is 99.55%
That's what I thought, as well. And, the fact that it's multiple line makes no difference.

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Post by parnellllll »

Thank You hophoofer and onemoretry for replying. May i ask how you came up with 99.55 because this is at a casino with no paytables that good. Something must make it lower maybe the Dream Card only showing up 17.50% of the time?

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According to the paytable it is a 9/8 machine paying 40 for the flush? The straight also pays higher than a normal JOB machine 30 instead of 20? Somewhere there is a loss in pay? I have plugged all the #'s into Wizard but can't come up with anything in normal range. Tried 30 credit instead of 10 put in .175 for dream card %?

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Hey parnellllll,

You are playing a game called Dream Card Poker that pays 96.3001%. You can see it here (as a gold member) by selecting the 7/5 schedule. The fact that it is 3-hand is NOT throwing anything off. Multiple numbers of hands (3, 5, 10, even 100) changes the bet size but does not change the EV for this game.

This schedule is "bumped up" to the 9/8/6/4 game that you posted here when you double the bet from 5 coins to 10 coins. If you do that, 17.50% of the time, 3 hands of 4 cards each are dealt from separate 52-card decks behind the scenes. The 3 hands are each evaluated after considering which "dream card" would produce the best expected value. Then the best hand is determined and presented to you along with its dream card.

The app that you are using to evaluate EV for the Wizard is for another game that has a name that is confusingly close, "Draw Poker with Dream Card." If you notice, you had to change the Dream Card probability from 50.5% to 17.5%. In this older game, you get dream card hands nearly 3 times as often but without selecting the best of 3 hands to start with. To confuse you even more, the Wizard's app calls this older game "Dream Card Poker" rather than its correct name "Draw Poker with Dream Card." I'm guessing when you plugged in your numbers to what the Wizard calls his Game Return Calculator or Video Poker Analyzer, you got 76.2435%. This will be wrong. As far as I know, the Wizard does NOT have an app to produce the number that I suggested above. The website here does show the EV as 96.300% consistent with what I said.

You CAN use another of the Wizard's tools, the Strategy Maker, and plug in the values to produce a strategy for this weird pay schedule, so you can go after straights and flushes a bit more aggressively than usual. Alternatively, this videopoker.com website also has a Gold Training function to help you with the correct holds.

The Wizard's Strategy Maker will produce an EV of 112.2457%, which is also incorrect. That is because it assumes a bet size of 5 coins instead of 10 coins and is only measuring the non-dream card hands. For them, the EV will be only 56.1228% (1/2 of the previous number). The dream card hands will have an EV of around 285.707%, so the average will balance out to 96.3001%.

Good luck getting your share of dream card hands or maybe a little more than your share.

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Post by parnellllll »

New2vp you are obviously not new to V.P. thank you so much for your very knowledgeable reply. I know people who play this game and of course always are hitting jackpots and never seem to loose money. I have resisted because like i said earlier this is a casino with no good paytables. Your 96% is par for the course. So to try and wrap my head around this, when i play this game for 5 coins instead of 10 coins the pay schedule will say 7 for FH and 5 for a Flush?

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Post by New2vp »

We were all new once.

Yes, your last statement is correct. And 4 for a Straight. You can see a similar phenomenon here without being Gold. The standard Jacks or Better game on this website for Dream Card Poker is 8/6/4 when 5 coins are bet, but moves to 11/8/6 when 10 coins are bet. In addition, the 10 coins activate the Dream Card feature.

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Post by parnellllll »

Understood thanks again New2vp. Learned a few things, the casinos don't make it easy! Happy and Healthy Holidays!

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