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stevel96a1
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where can i practice....

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double double bonus DW where it cost 6 coin to play?

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i used to believe the best place to practice for realism and real money is in downtown law vegas casinos as they used to be the least costly all things considered. our last trip however blew that notion to heck.

bob dancers softwre is the best thing for home computer practice.

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Antebellum Reb wrote:
Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:37 am
i used to believe the best place to practice for realism and real money is in downtown law vegas casinos as they used to be the least costly all things considered. our last trip however blew that notion to heck.

bob dancers softwre is the best thing for home computer practice.
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Thank you for the recommendations

I've never heard of DDB DW where it costs 6 coins to play --- it is certainly not on the Video Poker for Winners software.

There is a DB DW game --- 5 coins --- and if you were playing it in a Super Times Pay variation it would cost 6 coins per line.

Where did you see this game? Do you have a picture of the pay schedule?

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https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-po ... ble-bonus/

The Wiz said that he "saw this game at the Oneida casino in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on April 10, 2017."
In addition to a couple Deuces Wild pay schedules, it pays at least equal to DDB for natural quads and pays 6 coins instead of 5 for three of a kind, whether wild or natural.

On the page cited above, there is a link to a discussion on the Wizard's blog that was started back in 2016. The EVs for the two pay schedules identified were 97.42% and 98.70%.

There is one website that seems to have software for this game, though I have not tested this software myself:

https://www.playperfectllc.com/vp-proplus.html

An interesting hold that seems unique among games that I have seen comes with a dealt hand of three aces and two wild cards. With this hand, I think the best play, at least with the better pay schedule, is to keep one of the deuces and toss the other, holding AAA2. It is a risky play forgoing the certain quints for the chance at the quads with kicker, but if you want to maximize EV you make the rare play of holding only one of two wild cards. I've seen strategies on other games (Deuces and Joker comes to mind) where you toss a wild card to try for a natural royal flush, but I believe this is the first of this kind that I've seen.

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BobDancer wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:46 pm
Thank you for the recommendations

I've never heard of DDB DW where it costs 6 coins to play --- it is certainly not on the Video Poker for Winners software.

There is a DB DW game --- 5 coins --- and if you were playing it in a Super Times Pay variation it would cost 6 coins per line.

Where did you see this game? Do you have a picture of the pay schedule?
It's been mentioned a few times on here and I think even you responded to a post about it in one of the threads.

https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... 58#p119058

I'm actually starting to see the game show up in more casinos.

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New2vp wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:13 am
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-po ... ble-bonus/

The Wiz said that he "saw this game at the Oneida casino in Green Bay, Wisconsin, on April 10, 2017."
In addition to a couple Deuces Wild pay schedules, it pays at least equal to DDB for natural quads and pays 6 coins instead of 5 for three of a kind, whether wild or natural.

On the page cited above, there is a link to a discussion on the Wizard's blog that was started back in 2016. The EVs for the two pay schedules identified were 97.42% and 98.70%.

There is one website that seems to have software for this game, though I have not tested this software myself:

https://www.playperfectllc.com/vp-proplus.html

An interesting hold that seems unique among games that I have seen comes with a dealt hand of three aces and two wild cards. With this hand, I think the best play, at least with the better pay schedule, is to keep one of the deuces and toss the other, holding AAA2. It is a risky play forgoing the certain quints for the chance at the quads with kicker, but if you want to maximize EV you make the rare play of holding only one of two wild cards. I've seen strategies on other games (Deuces and Joker comes to mind) where you toss a wild card to try for a natural royal flush, but I believe this is the first of this kind that I've seen.
is it a 97.42 or a 98.70??
what if i just applied DW strategy?(ofcourse id adjust slightly to whats on the table shown on first deal)
would it yield a 98%?

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
is it a 97.42 or a 98.70??
You can download a demonstration app for free. If I recall correctly, many games have multiple common pay schedules. And I believe that you can create your own.
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
what if i just applied DW strategy?(ofcourse id adjust slightly to whats on the table shown on first deal)
I think that would be a mistake. Hands that have the best chance to lead to natural quads have a higher EV in this game than regular Deuces Wild. For example, you would want to hold a pair of aces, threes, or fours over holding a 4 Flush as they are no doubt higher in value than they would be in a regular deuces wild game. And remember that trips are worth 20% more than in a regular deuce game.
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
would it yield a 98%?
Probably not if you are intentionally planning on making non-optimal plays. But, of course, that would depend how far from optimal and how frequently you would make those plays. I'm also assuming that by "yield," you mean "expected value," since your results will vary from expected.

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New2vp wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:54 pm
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
is it a 97.42 or a 98.70??
You can download a demonstration app for free. If I recall correctly, many games have multiple common pay schedules. And I believe that you can create your own.
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
what if i just applied DW strategy?(ofcourse id adjust slightly to whats on the table shown on first deal)
I think that would be a mistake. Hands that have the best chance to lead to natural quads have a higher EV in this game than regular Deuces Wild. For example, you would want to hold a pair of aces, threes, or fours over holding a 4 Flush as they are no doubt higher in value than they would be in a regular deuces wild game. And remember that trips are worth 20% more than in a regular deuce game.
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
would it yield a 98%?
Probably not if you are intentionally planning on making non-optimal plays. But, of course, that would depend how far from optimal and how frequently you would make those plays. I'm also assuming that by "yield," you mean "expected value," since your results will vary from expected.
A lot of strategy is similar to Deuces, but the natural quads paying 250 or more changes some big decisions up. Like you'll break two pair even though making the full house is worth 20, or break Aces-4s full.

I don't think you'd hold an Ace solo, but I don't own play perfect and not going to bother to do the math.

And Bob, here's a pic with the 98.7% table, I'm more of a fan of the game after hitting this. My first natural on the game.
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Post by stevel96a1 »

New2vp wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:54 pm
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
is it a 97.42 or a 98.70??
You can download a demonstration app for free. If I recall correctly, many games have multiple common pay schedules. And I believe that you can create your own.
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
what if i just applied DW strategy?(ofcourse id adjust slightly to whats on the table shown on first deal)
I think that would be a mistake. Hands that have the best chance to lead to natural quads have a higher EV in this game than regular Deuces Wild. For example, you would want to hold a pair of aces, threes, or fours over holding a 4 Flush as they are no doubt higher in value than they would be in a regular deuces wild game. And remember that trips are worth 20% more than in a regular deuce game.
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:56 pm
would it yield a 98%?
Probably not if you are intentionally planning on making non-optimal plays. But, of course, that would depend how far from optimal and how frequently you would make those plays. I'm also assuming that by "yield," you mean "expected value," since your results will vary from expected.
i may actually purchase the program, it has a feature i never seen with other VP software it keeps a win/loss total of yours and the expert plays, that feature is new and i like it maybe worth the 20$ purchase it does seem user friendly

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