How do I get a lucky royal flush on first deal?

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cold_magi
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Re: How do I get a lucky royal flush on first deal?

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In all of my time here or in real life I have never been dealt a royal before. The best hand I ever got here was 4 Aces dealt with no kicker and it never happened again. It's all random luck, you could play all day and get nothing but someone who never played before in their life could hop on a contest and win it all in one game. The amount of grinding hands I had to do to get that 4 Aces was ridiculous, it was a really lazy day so I didn't have much else to do but hammer away on my keyboard till it happened and I almost jumped out of my chair. For nothing at that though in the end cause for a chance to come out on top, you need that kicker. Still gave me proof that it is a thing that happens though and these dealt hands aren't actually unicorns.

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H4KD4N wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:25 am
I have never gotten delt a royal flush.. how do I get one?
It Is a lot easier than actually trying to draw for one! Hang in there it will happen

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Post by billryan »

The best thing about Video Poker is the best hand is just a hand away.
The worst thing about video poker is the best hand is just a hand away.

My only dealt Royal was on a ten play. The problem was it was here on the practice forum and paid nothing.

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billryan wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:29 pm
The best thing about Video Poker is the best hand is just a hand away.
The worst thing about video poker is the best hand is just a hand away.

My only dealt Royal was on a ten play. The problem was it was here on the practice forum and paid nothing.
Truer words were never spoken. I have never gotten a dealt royal or one on a redraw. Ironically, about two weeks ago at the casino I was dealt a king high straight flush. Even though the progressive royal was about $1500 at the time, I kept it. Went by BD's chart for non-progressives. Figured it was the proper play.

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Post by billryan »

I'm not sure I'm correct but I'd look at that as giving up the SF to go for one and a half Royals.

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billryan wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:33 am
I'm not sure I'm correct but I'd look at that as giving up the SF to go for one and a half Royals.
Let's look at it --- by using calculations that you can perform at the machine without looking at charts.

Now I don't know the game that was being played, but let's assume that the EV of a 5-coin royal flush at 4,000 coins was 95 coins, and the straight flush was worth 250 coins. Neither assumption has to be correct.

If you hold 'KQJT9', you'll get 250 coins guaranteed. If you just hold 'KQJT' you'll receive 95 coins on average, plus an extra 2,000 coins one time in 47. At the machine, I'll figure this as one time in 50, because that number is so much easier to work with in my head. If it comes out fairly close, I'll recalculate using the better figure. But if it's way off, why make it hard on myself?

2,000 coins every 50 times is worth on average 40 coins. Add 40 coins to the 95 you start with, and you're still WAY below the guarantee of 250 coins for the straight flush. It would be a little higher than 40 coins if I divided by 47 rather than 50, but not by much.

So, this time I'd keep 'KQJT9'.

This doesn't prove BR wrong. What he said is he'd 'look at' the calculation --- doing his version of what I just did. Presumably after looking for a bit he'd figure out that he should still hold the straight flush in this case. He was correct that this is worth a look. He was correct that blindly following a strategy based on 4000 coins does not always give the correct advice on how to play a game based on 6000 coins.

This time, though, blindly following the 4000-coin strategy gave the correct answer. Okay. It does that some of the time, but not always. Winning players think about this kind of adjustment all of the time. If you can't make them, you're giving up a lot when you play progressives.

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billryan wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:33 am
I'm not sure I'm correct but I'd look at that as giving up the SF to go for one and a half Royals.
On deuces wild, you always go for the royal if 4 to royal is dealt or a SF like “9TJQK” without wild cards.

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Post by billryan »

Using Mr Dancers figures, hoding the straight flush all 47 hands gives you 11,750 coins in total
If holding the four results in 46 payouts of 95 coins, that is a total of 4370, and one payout of 6000, I get a total of 10,370 coins.
With a regular 4,000 coin payout, the totals would be 8370 to go for it, or 11,750 if you keep the SF each time.
At 6,000 coins, you get 10,370 vs 11,750, so you can see the gap is closer but still not worth doing.
Now if you find a progressive at $1800, it is the better play.
There are a few hands that I whip out my phone and do the calculations before making my mind up. This would have been one of them.
My initial thought would be to go for the Royal but thirty seconds of work would show me the error of my ways. I've only played progressives twice. Both were as a hired hand to a team that paid me just as much to clog up a machine as anything else. We had all eight machines in the bank occupied so it was inevitable they would hit it, just a matter of how long it took. It was like fishing in a barrel, using a hand grenade.

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Post by FAA »

:? I hit a RF just today! Bad News: Redraw on a ten play monthly contest here and paid zilch. Hey, maybe it's a good omen for the weekend. :roll:

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BobDancer wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:57 am
billryan wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:33 am
I'm not sure I'm correct but I'd look at that as giving up the SF to go for one and a half Royals.
Let's look at it --- by using calculations that you can perform at the machine without looking at charts.

Now I don't know the game that was being played, but let's assume that the EV of a 5-coin royal flush at 4,000 coins was 95 coins, and the straight flush was worth 250 coins. Neither assumption has to be correct.

If you hold 'KQJT9', you'll get 250 coins guaranteed. If you just hold 'KQJT' you'll receive 95 coins on average, plus an extra 2,000 coins one time in 47. At the machine, I'll figure this as one time in 50, because that number is so much easier to work with in my head. If it comes out fairly close, I'll recalculate using the better figure. But if it's way off, why make it hard on myself?

2,000 coins every 50 times is worth on average 40 coins. Add 40 coins to the 95 you start with, and you're still WAY below the guarantee of 250 coins for the straight flush. It would be a little higher than 40 coins if I divided by 47 rather than 50, but not by much.

So, this time I'd keep 'KQJT9'.

This doesn't prove BR wrong. What he said is he'd 'look at' the calculation --- doing his version of what I just did. Presumably after looking for a bit he'd figure out that he should still hold the straight flush in this case. He was correct that this is worth a look. He was correct that blindly following a strategy based on 4000 coins does not always give the correct advice on how to play a game based on 6000 coins.

This time, though, blindly following the 4000-coin strategy gave the correct answer. Okay. It does that some of the time, but not always. Winning players think about this kind of adjustment all of the time. If you can't make them, you're giving up a lot when you play progressives.
Thanks Bob. I was playing DDB with a 5/4 flush/straight pay table. Should have mentioned that in my original post. I had to make my decision rather quickly with no cheat sheets available.

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