Worst vp in America

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Re: Worst vp in America

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From Twitter:

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6/5 DDB, 94.66% on a $6.25 bet. :ouch:

They also posted a 9/5 TDB (97.02%) jackpot, $1 10-coin game.
Mikeinri wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:48 pm
2. There is no 3 play, 5 play etc.
Check out the WMS machines, on the first floor allegedly:

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Have you looked at the video BJ or craps or baccarat?

They have thousands of slot machines. Could be some good opportunities depending on how many hustlers hang out there, but there's a learning curve if you've never done slots before.

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That's the vp room all right. Will check but I don't think those multi-plays are still there 5 months later.
Today I noticed they have, on the $1 machines, a blackjack option with the always lucrative even money payout. They bill it as "2 for 1". Although it is not anywhere in the rules, you can double down on 10 and 11 at least and split cards. No soft doubling. Min bet $1 so not a bad time-filler.
Also saw a bit of a gem on the 4 spot keno on the old Top Prize Keno (I got the name wrong on my earlier post)- a 2-5-90 payoff which I believe is 92%. I played 20 minutes and hit the 4 spot walking away a winner!
Stay tuned for next weeks visit and the final word on the multi-plays!

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Mikeinri wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:52 pm
Although it is not anywhere in the rules, you can double down on 10 and 11 at least and split cards.
On IGT Game Kings, the rules are listed on a one-page help screen. Usually the game is 1 deck with the options you mentioned, standing on all 17s and paying on a 6-card charlie. EV a little above 97.5%.

Other possible options include double after split, drawing to split aces, and (late) surrender. If a game uses 2 decks, EV drops about 0.3%. I've never seen more than 2 decks on a Game King.

One particular rule set is mostly blank space. As I recall, there's no mention of doubling or splitting. I assumed this means the options are unavailable, but now I'm curious.

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This is the rare "full pay" version.
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dinghy wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 7:35 pm
Mikeinri wrote:
Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:52 pm
Although it is not anywhere in the rules, you can double down on 10 and 11 at least and split cards.
On IGT Game Kings, the rules are listed on a one-page help screen. Usually the game is 1 deck with the options you mentioned, standing on all 17s and paying on a 6-card charlie. EV a little above 97.5%.

Other possible options include double after split, drawing to split aces, and (late) surrender. If a game uses 2 decks, EV drops about 0.3%. I've never seen more than 2 decks on a Game King.

One particular rule set is mostly blank space. As I recall, there's no mention of doubling or splitting. I assumed this means the options are unavailable, but now I'm curious.
Yes it is single deck, stand 17 and 6 card charlie. Pretty sure there is no surrender but will check next week. I didn't split any hands so can't comment on the rest.
Hey , I'm not knocking it. At 97.5% for a buck it beats the hell out of 91% keno, which I saw someone playing 10 quarters a spin yesterday or 75 quarters a spin at 6-5 JOB which I saw last week-amazed.
I have settled into a habit of a little bit of 4 or 5 spot keno, a little dollar bj and a little of that 94% deuces wild. All single coin.
Beats penny slots. Sip a drink, kill some time, and check out some of the free show at the lighthouse.
If you can't beat'em (and baby you ain't beating this place no way no how) slow pay 'em!

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Mohegan Sun is starting to sneak in machines that are 250/1, 300/1 for bet 5, and 800/1 but you have to bet 15 bucks a pop. They better be careful. They have already lost many if not most of the serious vp players. Guess they don’t care. They are expanding worldwide and sucking in the younger set with penny slots at 4 bucks a spin, 14 buck mixed drinks, abd 9 dollar beers. The kids don’t seem to care either. Guess we are a dying breed. Not literally I hope.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:48 pm
They have already lost many if not most of the serious vp players. Guess they don’t care.
The thing that strikes me for some of these eastern states is the incredible tax rates. According to the American Gaming Association 2020 survey, Rhode Island casinos are taxed at 68.85 to 74% (electronic gaming device revenue). Delaware is 57%, Pennsylvania 55%, West Virginia 53.5%, New York 37 to 65%, Maryland 40 to 61%. I don't understand how that works, but it can't possibly be good for gambling conditions.

Some states tax table games at lower rates: Rhode Island 17-19%, Delaware 20%, Pennsylvania 16%, etc. But I don't know how they calculate. Table games can't track exact amounts wagered; they only know the amounts of currency dropped into the boxes.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

I think Mohegan pays 25 percent of just slot revenue/win to the State of Ct. Of course vp machines are counted as slots.if I remember Historically Mohegan sun returns about 91% of the slot coin in to the players

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:44 pm
I think Mohegan pays 25 percent of just slot revenue/win to the State of Ct.
Foxwoods also. In NY state, the commercial operators are agitating for reductions because Turning Stone and the other tribals "only" pay 25%. But probably the tribal rates will be increased to match the commercials.

When Mohegan bought in to the Virgin resort in Las Vegas, it was pointed out that they have to pay taxes as a commercial because they're not operating on sovereign territory. But Nevada caps out at 6.75% on gaming revenue, so it may be a better setup than they have in CT.

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Could be better percentage wise, but they have such a huge captive audience here. Other than Fixwoods which IMO is run more poorly than Mohegan is, there is no real serious competition from surrounding areas. That would include MGM in Springfield Mass, Twin Rivers in Rhode Island, and the newer one up in the Boston area. All have many negative features compared to Mohegan Sun. Also Mohegan Sun gets top entertainment venues and sports events. The place is very clean especially since smoking was banned indoors and Covid protocols put in place. As far as VP goes, they still offer 99.54 games at the quarter level and seem at least on the surface to have no money worries. They are constantly installing the latest glitzy regular slots. I don’t go near any of then, but many do.

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