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Like many of you I have played my share of VP.
Does anyone think RNG in Ultimate X is rigged. I was talking to a British player at Bellagio and he brought up the same question to my surprise. Also, if you watch Ultimate X Tournament's, you will see that almost every hand dealt is a winning 2 pair or trips or flush draws. I have played 100's of hours of Ultimate X and watched 100"s of hours of it being played, something is definitely not adding up.
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks

I don’t play it, but my wife does. It will usually beat you up for about 8 hours, then give you 5 minutes to get 90 percent of your money back. She sees the same thing every week and every session. After she gets most of her money back, it starts the same cycle all over again only faster than the first one and in the wrong direction. I know I am in the minority, but I think many games me may be at least partly rigged. If I play for free and practice on say wolf vp, I stay just about even. At the casino, a loss just about every session, though many times I am ahead early, then straight down the rest of the session. I play about one million hands a year at the casino and have been playing over 25 years. Nothing much has changed except I think the dud cycles are longer and the win cycles are shorter, but sometimes big wins jammed into 5 minutes of play. People will say…..why don’t you just quit. The short answer is I enjoy both playing at the casino now that they have gone smoke free and We both enjoy the dinner and room comps. Also, we only have an hour drive. At the end of the year, if the comps add up to roughly what I have lost, I’m not thrilled, but ok with it.

Ultimate X tourneys are absolutely rigged and are not indicative of how you will play on the casino floor.

As for patterns and cycles, it's all your imagination.

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olds442jetaway wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:43 pm

I know I am in the minority, but I think many games me may be at least partly rigged.

You're not in the minority.

Of course I hope I am wrong. I think the end percentage return to the players is the same as being totally random, but the streaks are much longer and the winning cycles are compressed but return a lot of money in a very short time like five minutes or so. Most people will bust their bankroll or just quit before they get that five minutes.

dinghy wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:14 am

You're not in the minority.

But, that doesn't necessarily make you right.

That’s for sure. Just going by roughly 30 million hands of vp at mostly one casino.

lets say ur doin 5 play UX. the big macdaddy multipliers 8x and up come out once in like 25 hands on any particular spot within those 5 hands, or once every 5 deals in anywhere within the deal. If your bucket list goal is you want some big stuff like 4 aces and a kicker landed on that 8x and up, you're gonna have to go through like 90,000 deals on average on 5 hand lol. And given UX's rotten paytables unless ur gambling with someone's house on the huge denoms, ur gonna be paying A LOT of juice out of the paytable working up to that goal, manyfold what the payout would be. Do the math, 7/5 ddb on nickels, that 800 to 1200 dollar 4 aces and kicker payout is going to cost you 9,000 dollars on average in loss lol. Or more if you go through a horrific dry spell way over 90,000 deals. And given that 4 aces and a kicker are a big part of the EV within DDB and especially TDB, that value wrapped up in those premium multiplied hands is kinda imprisoned so the return to you is actually much lower than advertised unless you do a crazy amount of volume. It's not the RNG.

didigoftam wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 18, 2023 7:08 pm

if you watch Ultimate X Tournament's, you will see that almost every hand dealt is a winning 2 pair or trips or flush draws.

Yes, I only found two videos on YouTube, but it does look mega-rigged. Both Slotmassacre and Bigkats Poker have 5-minute play sessions with dealt winners running >50%. Normal frequency is 20%.

Does anyone think RNG in Ultimate X is rigged. I was talking to a British player at Bellagio and he brought up the same question to my surprise.

Same thing happens to me. Because of the accent, I always expect them to say something intelligent.