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royal with duces

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:08 pm
by mishanae075
we should get same score for regular royal flush

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:49 pm
by Lucky Larry
Deuce Royals happen a lot more frequently than a Royal Flush without a deuce. Therefore, the difference.

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:25 am
by onemoretry
we should get same score for regular royal flush
Why do you think that?

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:12 pm
by Minn. Fatz
Me, I wanna get a bigger score in DW or JW when I get natural quads or a SF than when it comes with a wild card...it just feels wrong to get the lower payout...

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:06 am
by BillyJoe
we should get same score for regular royal flush
The pay table dictates the Estimated Value (EV) on a game. You can set any hand to any payback that you want, it will just effect the EV of the game.

Using VPW, I changed the DW RF w/deuce to 4000 for max bet, and the EV became 99.573%. If that puts the EV above 99%, it isn't going to happen in most casinos.

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:27 am
by shadowman
Me, I wanna get a bigger score in DW or JW when I get natural quads or a SF than when it comes with a wild card...it just feels wrong to get the lower payout...

It's called Deuces deluxe.

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:14 am
by onemoretry
Using VPW, I changed the DW RF w/deuce to 4000 for max bet, and the EV became 99.573%. If that puts the EV above 99%, it isn't going to happen in most casinos.
I don't know how you could get such a low result. I put 4000 return for a wild royal into the airport deuces (98.91%) pay scale, and it increased the return to about 335%!

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:00 am
by Vman96
[QUOTE=Minn. Fatz] Me, I wanna get a bigger score in DW or JW when I get natural quads or a SF than when it comes with a wild card...it just feels wrong to get the lower payout...

It's called Deuces deluxe.[/QUOTE]

Indeed it is and I have NEVER seen the game offered anywhere. The closest I have seen is "Super Bonus Deuces Wild" 40 for 1 when you make quints with only one deuce.

[QUOTE=billyjoe] Using VPW, I changed the DW RF w/deuce to 4000 for max bet, and the EV became 99.573%. If that puts the EV above 99%, it isn't going to happen in most casinos.
I don't know how you could get such a low result. I put 4000 return for a wild royal into the airport deuces (98.91%) pay scale, and it increased the return to about 335%![/QUOTE]

Yeah, this what I got too. Not sure what billyjoe did.

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:43 am
by BillyJoe
[QUOTE=shadowman] [QUOTE=Minn. Fatz] Me, I wanna get a bigger score in DW or JW when I get natural quads or a SF than when it comes with a wild card...it just feels wrong to get the lower payout...

It's called Deuces deluxe.[/QUOTE]

Indeed it is and I have NEVER seen the game offered anywhere. The closest I have seen is "Super Bonus Deuces Wild" 40 for 1 when you make quints with only one deuce.

[QUOTE=billyjoe] Using VPW, I changed the DW RF w/deuce to 4000 for max bet, and the EV became 99.573%. If that puts the EV above 99%, it isn't going to happen in most casinos.
I don't know how you could get such a low result. I put 4000 return for a wild royal into the airport deuces (98.91%) pay scale, and it increased the return to about 335%![/QUOTE]

Yeah, this what I got too. Not sure what billyjoe did. [/QUOTE]

See - you all assume that I know what the heck I am doing.

This time, I started with full-pay deuces, and I got 158 % EV.

Re: royal with duces

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:29 pm
by onemoretry
This time, I started with full-pay deuces, and I got 158 % EV.
For full pay deuces, I get 336%.