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A while ago I played full time at a casino which had a good play running. I played well over a million hands and hit 25 royals ! 40,000 to 1 apx. with 1 million hands played should yield 25 royals . exactly on the average , which is unusual in and of it self ! It was a very good year with the promo and other things they were running. Alas no mas !!

advantage playe wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:52 am

40,000 to 1 apx. with 1 million hands played should yield 25 royals . exactly on the average , which is unusual in and of it self !

Yes! A lot of people here think after a million hands you should have, are due, or even entitled to 25 hands. But that is only the mean expected, which makes up a fair but hardly overwhelming fraction of the outcomes. Olds knows you may only get 2 or 3. Others like LL might get their expected plus some with an overabundance of them dealt. And even though you happened to get the expected amount, they surely didn't come 40K hands apart throughout the total, as many seem to think is to be expected or the machine is rigged...in short the unexpected is what should be expected if it is a truly random event.

Sounds like you grasp the concept !

olds442jetaway wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:04 pm

Its not all that hard to play a million or more hands per year. I have been doing it by having at least 3 marathon sessions a week going back over 20 years. This would be about where I would fall…700 hands per hour on a single line game X 8 round numbers, 18,000 X 50 weeks with a couple of weeks off is 900,000 hands for the year. It helps that I only have a 60 mile drive to the casino. Unfortunately, that means 54,000 of the 68,000 miles on my 2019 Elantra are casino miles. I had thought about being classified for tax purposes as a professional gambler, but I have failed to show a profit in any of the years just based on coin in. I think that in itself would get it classified as a hobby.

A regular player is not likely to have three marathon sessions a week 50 out of 52 weeks of the year.

If I was a regular player playing at home on this site 2 hours each day every day of the year at 700 hands per hour, I only log a little over half a million.

If I was a regular player who went to a casino once EVERY week all year, playing 700 hands per hour, I would have to play 27 hours a day to reach a million.

It may not be that hard, but it's a huge time investment, and if playing for stakes, a possible huge cash investment. You need only to look at your own results to see that. A regular player would likely quit at some point during a losing streak.

If it's not hard, it's extremely difficult for all but a few.

People here think after a million hands you should have, are due, or even entitled to 25. But that is only the mean expected, a fair but hardly overwhelming fraction of outcomes. Olds knows you may only get 2
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That 600,000 hand drought was some cautionary tale! Two in <50,000 hands last year; shocked as all hell.

TripleTriple wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:02 pm

If it's not hard, it's extremely difficult for all but a few.

That was certainly my thinking when I posted my comment about hitting way above average. I looked back at some of my play records for when I played a lot more than I do now. At the most, I would have about 250,000 deals per year, and I thought I was a reasonably heavy player at the time. I would go to the casino every two to three weeks for a one or two night stay, and play many hours while there. A lot of that play was multiline, at $12.50 per deal, so my annual coin-in was well in excess of $1,000,000.

All that said, that number of dealt royals reported by LL is impressive, and I am as envious as hell!

Ditto!!! Going on 6 years for me without one. Hope you and sweet C get many more LL

Lucky Larry wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:08 pm

I'm too tired to think this through and I have to get up early for a couple of observations tomorrow but walk through this with me. To maintain my Elite Status at GNLC we have to put through $1m coin-in or 100,000 points at $10/point on VP which we play almost exclusively. We both generally play multiple hand 3/5 hand 25¢ VP.

So I'm roughing out 3 dealt hands of 5$7.50 (for 5 hands played) is about 2 points. I'm trying to accommodate for Sweet C who plays more single and 3 hand VP. So roughly 50,000 points X 3 hands =150,000 hands/year for Elite status and another $250K for Sweet C's status so maybe 200,000 hands a year?

I'll check my numbers tomorrow or check what you write. Thanks for any help. zzzzzz

LL
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Confusing to me how you derived your number of hands, and I may be wrong but it looks like you're saying that while you have been quite lucky, it's Sweet that is incredibly lucky by getting the same number despite playing 1/4? the number of hands. And she has two already this year? Simply astonishing. Maybe it should be Lucky Larry & Luckier C

It's cool that someone on the site has had this amount of luck and posts of it. I think we all are rooting for you guys even though we know you are stealing our dealts.

You may have posted elsewhere, but were any of them sequential? Oh, and Olds, you are "due".

Triple Triple,
I told you it was late...so here goes $1M coin-in is needed at $10/point for VP at our GNLC to reach 100K Elite status; 25K points for Chairman.
I play mainly 3-5 and occasionally 10 hand quarters or 3-5 @ 50¢
Sweet C plays mainly 3 hand 25¢/50¢ and only rarely 5 hand. She also plays single hand when down in bankroll.
I was trying to sleepily calculate how many hands it took to make to make the $1M coin in and to figure our dealt hands played. I average about 125K points a year since we both play on my card until Elite status is reached and then on her card for 25K points for Chairman. This approach seems to give us the highest $comp, weekly free play and food comps.

Since we were talking about "dealt hands" I had to figure the number of dealt hands we played since we're almost always playing multi-hand.

4 hands (ave. between 3/5 hand) @25¢ = 5.00 divided into 1,250,000 is 250,000 hands(Elite) + 50,000 hands (Chairman) could put us about 300,000 hands a year is my guess. Either way we've been dang lucky. I'll check but I don't recall a sequential notation on my excel but I'll rescan our dealt RF pictures.
LL
addendum: no dealt sequential but one sequential in 2019 on redraw.

Mostly an old time pen and paper guy and even though excel was introduced at work a few years before I retired in 2003, I never really used or fully grasped it. I also do a lot of the calculations in my head. Makes me crazy when you pay a bill in cash, hand the cashier an amount so you get an even amount back like 50 cents and they stare at you and have no idea what to do. Virtually nobody knows how to make change anymore let alone sign their nane. It doesn’t help that nether is taught in school.when I tell young people that hard held calculators didn’t exist until I was in my late 20s, they look at me like I an from another planet.A few were available in 1971 at 400 bucks but at work we git tfe TI ones in 1977?at 80 bucks each.