I was told not to come back, is that serious?

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Tedlark
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Re: I was told not to come back, is that serious?

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I would occasionally see a guy at Four Winds in New Buffalo, MI scavenge on the two Ultimate X games next to the Dream Card machines. He would scroll through every game looking for left behind multipliers. Once he scrolled through one machine he would jump to the one next to it. I imagine he did this same thing at all the Ultimate X machines in the casino. Except for those located in high limit of course......

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It wasn't Vman.

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Post by billryan »

The time spent searching is time you aren't playing a negative game.
Some people would rather play fifteen hands an hour on a positive game than six hundred on a negative game. In blackjack, it's called wonging.

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billryan wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:34 am
Some people would rather play fifteen hands an hour on a positive game than six hundred on a negative game. In blackjack, it's called wonging.
It doesn't matter to me if the game is positive or negative because I know the odds do not accurately predict what is going to happen when I play that day, next week or five years from today. The truth is you don't know if you will be alive tomorrow morning.

There are all kinds of ways to cheat a casino until you get caught. Using someone else's free play or players card is one example. If you are OK with it, fine. I still think the casino is right to throw them out. If you are going to claim to be a long term VP winner, you should at least do it on your own.

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Vman96 wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:37 am
FloridaPhil wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:40 am
This scavenging thing is new to me. How desperate do you have to be to do that? Try robbing a bank, it's a lot more productive. Getting a job would work even better.
It's the same as vulturing Ultimate X, which will lead to long term profit at VP. Even in Florida! But as we can see by this story, casinos frown upon play that leads to long term profit. Comparing it to robbing a bank is insulting though. Doing this is NOT illegal.

I do this periodically myself. I've only been warned once out of 50+ casinos I've done it in (Harrah's Joliet), but they didn't kick me out, ask for ID, or give me anything in writing.

I don't tend to "vulture" much in Vegas, competition is too great. And i'm a drunken tourist more in Vegas.

Question for the OP, which casino was this?

And since they scanned your ID, i'm not sure I would go back, casinos have facial recognition software. When they asked for it, I would have considered leaving voluntarily.

It was Caesars Palace.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:58 am
That's not using skill or intellect to beat the game, it's receiving benefit from something you didn't earn on your own. If that's what it takes to win, I want no part of it.
With this absolutist mentality, nobody should ever sit down at an Ultimate X machine that has a multiplier remaining on it. The machine must sit idle forever until the previous player returns. Which is pretty silly.

I don't consider it the least bit unethical. I do consider it both opportunistic and annoying- two qualities that are probably shared by a majority of advantage players.

But ethical or not, I don't understand it. I understand the vulturing advantage, I just don't see how you could make enough on it to make it worth your time. I have much better things to do than stand around a casino waiting for other people. Waiting is one of my least favorite things to do in this world. If someone offered me $10 to stand in a smokey casino doing nothing for an hour, I would run away. Throw in any sense of nervousness that what you are doing is frowned upon by the management and I have zero interest. But that's just me. :lol:

Maybe they make a lot more than I realize.

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Personally, I wouldn't waste my time circling a group of machines looking for leftover multipliers. I would consider it the same as walking around looking for money left in a machine. Once while playing at NY NY I walked away from a machine by mistake with $200 left in it to go to the bathroom. When I came back my machine was cashed out. I complained to the floor manager. They called security and when they saw who took my money they gave me my money back. I was amazed when they did that and it was most appreciated. I have also had Vegas show tickets stolen out of my jacket pocket. At the casinos I frequent, we don't see many thieves. I have seen people escorted out with their hands tied behind their backs. I don't know what they were up to, but I'm sure it wasn't legal.

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Eduardo wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:43 am
FloridaPhil wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:58 am
That's not using skill or intellect to beat the game, it's receiving benefit from something you didn't earn on your own. If that's what it takes to win, I want no part of it.
With this absolutist mentality, nobody should ever sit down at an Ultimate X machine that has a multiplier remaining on it. The machine must sit idle forever until the previous player returns. Which is pretty silly.

I don't consider it the least bit unethical. I do consider it both opportunistic and annoying- two qualities that are probably shared by a majority of advantage players.

But ethical or not, I don't understand it. I understand the vulturing advantage, I just don't see how you could make enough on it to make it worth your time. I have much better things to do than stand around a casino waiting for other people. Waiting is one of my least favorite things to do in this world. If someone offered me $10 to stand in a smokey casino doing nothing for an hour, I would run away. Throw in any sense of nervousness that what you are doing is frowned upon by the management and I have zero interest. But that's just me. :lol:

Maybe they make a lot more than I realize.

Might want to invest an afternoon and look at the potential before rejecting it out of hand.
I don't actively scavenge but it's silly not to check an empty game and see what one sees.

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In passing, sure. And if someone next to me got up and there were a bunch of multipliers left there, I wouldn't feel bad about playing the next hand out either. I'm not against the principle of it. But just standing around looking creepy and waiting for these opportunities would never suit me. You see it all the time and never once have I thought "hey, that looks like it would be a good use of my time." It's more like "Man, I wish that guy would stop staring at me hoping I'm going to leave something here."

I can see why casinos would have them move along, and I think it has little to do with their "having an edge" on these plays. Someone is going to play that next hand with the multipliers and the casino really doesn't care who.

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The hell with "casino experience" or "entertainment." I'm there to make money.

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