the longest you went w/o Royal?

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Re: the longest you went w/o Royal?

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Everything is relative. Above, 13 2021 RFs bemoaned. I have two and am content as a clam!

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i went over my gaming log and good news, i won in 2019, 2020 and this year still a winner however most people would say +400$ isn't wining and id agree but previous years are and still have a few months before this year is over some how i believed that recent loss i suffered put me down for the year but it hasn't just crippled my winning's i still plan to play .50 machine so if and when i do hit that Royal i won't say great 1k$ now wheres the other 1k$ i lost previously?, i went over this site and read a post viewtopic.php?t=9821&start=10 i truly don't know if i am entering that vortex of 300k hands and hate to push out more coin denom til my next royal cycle but as long as the freeplay stays true i am ok. that one post Phil stated is true anyone playing for a living needs funds and had to come from somewhere either through hard work or inheritance just to stablize everything
but its also my belief closing out 80k a year instead of 8k a year can certainly sustain you.

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Post by applepear86 »

What hurts me more, and I'm sure others as well, is full house/flush dry streaks. Those are like 10x a bigger part of the EV than the royal is. The royal just rewards us as a consolation prize for masochistically playing these beloved moneysucking games lol.

I will say though, at the same time, it's easier to have a full house and flush dry streak recalibrated than a royal dry streak if you're doing major volume. A 2%+ hole constantly sucking your royalless play really can ruin the numbers over a longer period of time. You might never be recalibrated to at or above the EV with a nasty streak. We've all seen roulette colors go 13 times in a row before walking by a table, picture that. If the royal is once in every 40k hands, u can divide it into coinflips of 20k hands. Your royal history could perform just as badly as a roulette or baccarat board, or on the other side of the coin just as good. We all know someone who keeps getting royals within 1,000 hands of each other lol.

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Post by stevel96a1 »

now that you mentioned Roulette and Baccarat, VP house edge is no different than those games or any negative game in the casino, your reward is always proportioned to your risk and risk is always proportioned to your reward, so if i want to win 40 grand i need to risk 40 grand 99% of the time, that one video poster on youtube claims his friend started off with a 15$ roll and turned it into 100k$ he didn't menton his loses prior to that but its still possible to close out 3 jackpots in short order unlike 300 jackpots in short order. i also believe video poker machines at the casino work with a different RNG engine than ones at home base making the sim's a poor yard stick for comparison.

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Post by TripleTriple »

stevel96a1 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:58 am
now that you mentioned Roulette and Baccarat, VP house edge is no different than those games or any negative game in the casino,
Ridiculous statement.

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TripleTriple wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:48 am
stevel96a1 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:58 am
now that you mentioned Roulette and Baccarat, VP house edge is no different than those games or any negative game in the casino,
Ridiculous statement.
how so? not compwise but HE edge yes all the casino games boil down to luck.
all house games has an edge over you (except bj/live poker)
every casino game has its probablity of something happening or not happening
and your reward is always proport ioned to your risk no way around that
so techincally all house games w/ negative ev = same you either lose fast or lose slowwww

in other words 9/6 jacks vs 6/5 jacks game the story always ends the same (assuming no players card)

spoiler:BUSTO! maybe not now maybe not today but will be a tomorrow will that -.54 bites ya

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Post by applepear86 »

When I said 2%, I wasn't talking about the advantage per say. The royal flush represents about 2% of the return of each hand playing proper strategy.

To add to this, gambling is not all about the house advantage though. You don't want to play the worst game in the house, but if you are offered a large pure exposure to a bigger payout, it might be a better gamble unless you take playtime into an account. On average, you will pay about $1,250 for a royal flush on quarter denom 9/6 jacks or better according to the odds and taking the .5% advantage into account. That's a 25% premium if you are just counting the royal flush as the only hand on JOB worth winning.

If you bring 60 bucks with you for a little session and play until royal or bust on quarter jacks or better, it would actually be a better value to take the entire 60 bucks to the double 00 roulette table, and spread it out over 2 numbers for one spin. While there's a 5.26% advantage on that bet, it's pure exposure to a 1/18 payout of 1,080 dollars. If you ran it through the jacks or better with optimal strategy and played that 60 until royal or bust, you are losing 20% in value compared to the roulette spin. A four times worse gamble mathematically speaking. And if you play less than 9/6, it's even uglier. 9/5 the royal costs like $1,600 approximately, and 8/5 around $2,500 lol. On the crappy double 00 roulette wheel, that same $1,000 costs you $1,052.60.

However, when you include playtime, comps, maybe using Bob Dancer's strategies for advantage play, video poker can be a better game. It's no fun to go to the casino for one 2 minute roulette spin bet even if it's mathematically better than "royal chasing". But the point I'm making is house advantage isn't always everything depending on what the player wants. Always do the math.

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applepear86 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:24 pm
When I said 2%, I wasn't talking about the advantage per say. The royal flush represents about 2% of the return of each hand playing proper strategy.

To add to this, gambling is not all about the house advantage though. You don't want to play the worst game in the house, but if you are offered a large pure exposure to a bigger payout, it might be a better gamble unless you take playtime into an account. On average, you will pay about $1,250 for a royal flush on quarter denom 9/6 jacks or better according to the odds and taking the .5% advantage into account. That's a 25% premium if you are just counting the royal flush as the only hand on JOB worth winning.

If you bring 60 bucks with you for a little session and play until royal or bust on quarter jacks or better, it would actually be a better value to take the entire 60 bucks to the double 00 roulette table, and spread it out over 2 numbers for one spin. While there's a 5.26% advantage on that bet, it's pure exposure to a 1/18 payout of 1,080 dollars. If you ran it through the jacks or better with optimal strategy and played that 60 until royal or bust, you are losing 20% in value compared to the roulette spin. A four times worse gamble mathematically speaking. And if you play less than 9/6, it's even uglier. 9/5 the royal costs like $1,600 approximately, and 8/5 around $2,500 lol. On the crappy double 00 roulette wheel, that same $1,000 costs you $1,052.60.

However, when you include playtime, comps, maybe using Bob Dancer's strategies for advantage play, video poker can be a better game. It's no fun to go to the casino for one 2 minute roulette spin bet even if it's mathematically better than "royal chasing". But the point I'm making is house advantage isn't always everything depending on what the player wants. Always do the math.
well i could bring 1 bankroll and place 2 bets on baccarat banker since it has a higher win rate but as you said the freeplay food comps and other nicety's wouldn't be there the casino wants me to sit there pay me time on device w/ their offers, atlantic city board walk casino's have the worst comps imo can't speak of borgata or harrah or ones further from the boardwalk but yuck to the regulars for quarter play atleast, most of my gambling is not atlantic city

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:10 pm
applepear86 wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:24 pm
When I said 2%, I wasn't talking about the advantage per say. The royal flush represents about 2% of the return of each hand playing proper strategy.

To add to this, gambling is not all about the house advantage though. You don't want to play the worst game in the house, but if you are offered a large pure exposure to a bigger payout, it might be a better gamble unless you take playtime into an account. On average, you will pay about $1,250 for a royal flush on quarter denom 9/6 jacks or better according to the odds and taking the .5% advantage into account. That's a 25% premium if you are just counting the royal flush as the only hand on JOB worth winning.

If you bring 60 bucks with you for a little session and play until royal or bust on quarter jacks or better, it would actually be a better value to take the entire 60 bucks to the double 00 roulette table, and spread it out over 2 numbers for one spin. While there's a 5.26% advantage on that bet, it's pure exposure to a 1/18 payout of 1,080 dollars. If you ran it through the jacks or better with optimal strategy and played that 60 until royal or bust, you are losing 20% in value compared to the roulette spin. A four times worse gamble mathematically speaking. And if you play less than 9/6, it's even uglier. 9/5 the royal costs like $1,600 approximately, and 8/5 around $2,500 lol. On the crappy double 00 roulette wheel, that same $1,000 costs you $1,052.60.

However, when you include playtime, comps, maybe using Bob Dancer's strategies for advantage play, video poker can be a better game. It's no fun to go to the casino for one 2 minute roulette spin bet even if it's mathematically better than "royal chasing". But the point I'm making is house advantage isn't always everything depending on what the player wants. Always do the math.
well i could bring 1 bankroll and place 2 bets on baccarat banker since it has a higher win rate but as you said the freeplay food comps and other nicety's wouldn't be there the casino wants me to sit there pay me time on device w/ their offers, atlantic city board walk casino's have the worst comps imo can't speak of borgata or harrah or ones further from the boardwalk but yuck to the regulars for quarter play atleast, most of my gambling is not atlantic city
Casinos where I am have been very stingy (out here in the midwest that's common). Next time I'm going to try to be stingy right back. I'm going to play nickel vp to pass the time and enjoy myself, and cash out my tiny freeplay, and then at the end of the night before leaving take a potshot bet on 2 or 3 roulette numbers or one $125 high limit vp hand on BP or deuces wild, at least double or nothing. I will have basically no theo-loss when you count the little 10 dollar freeplay I got lol.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

Unfortunately, time is always the casinos friend. My average session might be 10,000 buck coin in on one of my favorite games Joker Kings. I’m going to give up over 1 1/2 percent long term. That only works out to be 160 bucks or so in that session, but normally without a Royal I would lose close to 400 bucks. Royals only come along for me about every 10 trips or so which would be based on hands played. Players including myself tend to get reckless toward the end of their sessions trying to get their few hundred bucks back before they go home. Usually ends in disaster. Our problem is we love to play the game and that is great for the casino.

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