Not my day

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FAA
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Re: Not my day

Post by FAA »

No, with his slots that day. Apparently some senses were tingling. Those W2s don’t lie.

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Post by Tedlark »

FAA wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:06 am
No, with his slots that day. Apparently some senses were tingling. Those W2s don’t lie.
Incredible instincts? With slots?

More nonsense.

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Post by pokerpokerpoker »

Dang, TDB double play. I like some variance, but damn...and $10/tug.

Lately, I've been playing your namesake, TTB. Quads have been coming ahead of schedule over the last 4 visits, but when 12 of 13 of them are the 250 coin variety, and the other was just a 400 - all visits were bust-outs. Maybe today is the day.

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Post by Jstark »

Tedlark wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:57 am
FAA wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:06 am
No, with his slots that day. Apparently some senses were tingling. Those W2s don’t lie.
Incredible instincts? With slots?

More nonsense.
I contend that there are now more beatable slots around than VP games.

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Post by case »

Jstark wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:31 am
Tedlark wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:57 am
FAA wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:06 am
No, with his slots that day. Apparently some senses were tingling. Those W2s don’t lie.
Incredible instincts? With slots?

More nonsense.
I contend that there are now more beatable slots around than VP games.


I would agree with that statement. Even Dancer is playing a few advantage slots from time to time.

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Post by FAA »

I'd be okay with squandering some cash on slots in the weeks following a VP jackpot. They get a casino's attention, and I'd like to get CET mailers.

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Post by Jstark »

case wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:27 pm
Jstark wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:31 am
Tedlark wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:57 am
FAA wrote:
Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:06 am
No, with his slots that day. Apparently some senses were tingling. Those W2s don’t lie.
Incredible instincts? With slots?

More nonsense.
I contend that there are now more beatable slots around than VP games.


I would agree with that statement. Even Dancer is playing a few advantage slots from time to time.
When I say that, I mean by the different types of games. As almost everyone knows, UX VP is highly susceptible to AP, and that game alone probably outnumbers the amount of every slot game that is AP'able.

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Post by case »

Some slots have a much higher return than VP. You just have to know what your looking for. Hard to find VP much above 101% but I am talking about advantage slots that are left in an optimal position.

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Post by Jstark »

case wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:48 pm
Some slots have a much higher return than VP. You just have to know what your looking for. Hard to find VP much above 101% but I am talking about advantage slots that are left in an optimal position.
Exactly. Much easier too.

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Post by BobDancer »

Jstark wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:03 pm
case wrote:
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:48 pm
Some slots have a much higher return than VP. You just have to know what your looking for. Hard to find VP much above 101% but I am talking about advantage slots that are left in an optimal position.
Exactly. Much easier too.

It was said in this thread that I've been known to play some slots --- and I plead guilty as charged.

In terms of being easier, I'm not so sure. Yes the hitting the button when you find such a game is trivially easy compared to knowing a video poker strategy, but it's not at all trivial to know when a slot machine is in a positive state. There are truly hundreds of different slot games that are positive some of the time, and each one has a different way of being evaluated. And there are ALWAYS new games coming along that need to be evaluated and usually there's not a website you can go to to find out how to play it advantageously.

Plus, in Vegas anyway, there are several hundred slot machine hustlers active on any given day. If you watch a game that sometimes becomes positive, every 5 minutes or so a player comes by, hits a few buttons to check to see if it's positive now, and then moves along if it's not. So not only do you have to know what to look for, you have to find it and play it before the others. Not so easy.

In video poker, you can know beforehand that you are going to be playing a particular game (say $1 JoB) on a given day --- and you want to play 3 hours to get enough points for . . . whatever. If you're a slot player, you usually have no idea what games you'll find today. Some of these games take a long time to find and then are over after only a few spins. Slot hustling takes a lot more scouting than playing video poker does. And many times, you can't find a good game to play at a given casino on a given day. Depending on your physical condition, walking around a lot scouting may not be so easy as going directly to a machine, sitting down, and playing.

There are more disagreements associated with slot hustling than in playing video poker. Say a player is on a "ripe" machine, and only has a few dollars of credits left. Sometimes you'll see more than one player just waiting to see if the current player goes broke --- and then they rush to sit down when that happens. You'll sometimes get "I was here first," "No, I was here first" disagreements. Players are not always gentlemanly in solving these disputes. This can happen with video poker progressives, but there are so many more chances it happens with slots.

It takes every bit as much discipline to play slots well as video poker. You might know, or think you know, that such and such a machine is playable if a particular meter gets to, say, 50. Assume it's now at 45. it's not really a good play, but whoever gets on next will probably play until it's resolved. If you don't get on now, you won't get the machine. But it may not be positive now, you're not sure. You see these dilemmas EVERY DAY. How do you deal with them?

Finally, don't ask me what games I play and how I recognize when these games are playable. I'm not an expert as I am in vp, but I'm far more than a novice. I'm neither giving away nor selling that information. Those of you who see me on such a machine can learn whatever it is that you learn by seeing me there, but you'll still have no idea of what was the condition when I chose to sit down. The situation when you see me may be much different.

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