New machines unplayable.
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:55 pm
I know we have all talked about this a bit on and off. I just wanted to give you some point of view where the guy on here Tech58 and I play in Mid Michigan. Indian casino and pretty nice place over all.
As I reported in other posts, the casino near about July time frame took out all the older up right machines for new state of the art machines. 6 banks of machines. Just after that they reprogrammed all the bar tops and some older slant top machines.
I got a chance to chat with Tech Friday. Between him and I we know 10 VP players that play here. Tech tells me he knows a husband and wife that stopped coming to the casino due to how bad VP has gotten.
He said even Keno people have seen this change for the worst as Keno is on these 6 banks of machines removed. He tells me he also can tell somethings for sure different. More dead hands, less good hands.
My buddy has stopped playing the new IGT machines and will only play the 8 Bally machines we have left.
I got to know a very good VP player over the past 2 years. He comes up from Detroit 2 to 3 days a week for over night stays. He tells me every month he would hit a Royal on the old machines like clock work. He played the new machines and took him 4 months to hit one. He also said one day he was playing BP, played 3000 hands with no 4 of a kinds on the reprogrammed machines. I know many of you will say that can happen, and I agree it can, we have never seen this off play before till the new machines where put in.
For me it's not about Royals as much as you can't get play out of the machines now. Tech tells me he would play for hours on the machines and rack up points, I agree with that it was no problem. Lose but not get wiped out over and over. Now these machines wipe you out in no time flat. Stevel96a1 has posted about this very thing where he plays.
This is the only way I can explain the true difference from old to new. On old Machine deals would be a winning pair off the deal and two pair off the deal out of 10 hands. Now you get the same winning hands but they are harder to hit. The new machines deal you a pair not a winning pair, and you might get two pair holding a pair. The winner off the deal are much less and you have to draw good for a winner. The old machines would pop up winners out of 10 hands pretty constant. Not any more on new machines.
These new machines and reprogrammed machines go 12 to 15 hands no winners many times an hour. After 6 -7 hands you think its got to give you a winner, nope it goes on and on. Four of a kinds are very slow in coming.
The only thing keeping me playing is them rolling pots I been lucky to hit. Play has been so bad for wife and I that we are looking at lowering our bets and play on one card for 2020. No one can keep getting wiped out trip after trip. Last week I put 200 bucks in and played 10 quarters a hand, gone on these new machines in 10 minutes on 9/6 JOB. At one point in the last 4 months I was dropping $600 an hour on 5 bucks a bet 9/6 JOB. The machines have been going empty. Friday at 3pm I walk in the non smoking room these new machines a bank of 12, 11 seats empty.
I can only report whats happening to me and what others are saying about the new machines. If you have old machines at your casino, play the hell out of them before they put in new ones.
As I reported in other posts, the casino near about July time frame took out all the older up right machines for new state of the art machines. 6 banks of machines. Just after that they reprogrammed all the bar tops and some older slant top machines.
I got a chance to chat with Tech Friday. Between him and I we know 10 VP players that play here. Tech tells me he knows a husband and wife that stopped coming to the casino due to how bad VP has gotten.
He said even Keno people have seen this change for the worst as Keno is on these 6 banks of machines removed. He tells me he also can tell somethings for sure different. More dead hands, less good hands.
My buddy has stopped playing the new IGT machines and will only play the 8 Bally machines we have left.
I got to know a very good VP player over the past 2 years. He comes up from Detroit 2 to 3 days a week for over night stays. He tells me every month he would hit a Royal on the old machines like clock work. He played the new machines and took him 4 months to hit one. He also said one day he was playing BP, played 3000 hands with no 4 of a kinds on the reprogrammed machines. I know many of you will say that can happen, and I agree it can, we have never seen this off play before till the new machines where put in.
For me it's not about Royals as much as you can't get play out of the machines now. Tech tells me he would play for hours on the machines and rack up points, I agree with that it was no problem. Lose but not get wiped out over and over. Now these machines wipe you out in no time flat. Stevel96a1 has posted about this very thing where he plays.
This is the only way I can explain the true difference from old to new. On old Machine deals would be a winning pair off the deal and two pair off the deal out of 10 hands. Now you get the same winning hands but they are harder to hit. The new machines deal you a pair not a winning pair, and you might get two pair holding a pair. The winner off the deal are much less and you have to draw good for a winner. The old machines would pop up winners out of 10 hands pretty constant. Not any more on new machines.
These new machines and reprogrammed machines go 12 to 15 hands no winners many times an hour. After 6 -7 hands you think its got to give you a winner, nope it goes on and on. Four of a kinds are very slow in coming.
The only thing keeping me playing is them rolling pots I been lucky to hit. Play has been so bad for wife and I that we are looking at lowering our bets and play on one card for 2020. No one can keep getting wiped out trip after trip. Last week I put 200 bucks in and played 10 quarters a hand, gone on these new machines in 10 minutes on 9/6 JOB. At one point in the last 4 months I was dropping $600 an hour on 5 bucks a bet 9/6 JOB. The machines have been going empty. Friday at 3pm I walk in the non smoking room these new machines a bank of 12, 11 seats empty.
I can only report whats happening to me and what others are saying about the new machines. If you have old machines at your casino, play the hell out of them before they put in new ones.