Aces Bonus Poker

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Re: Aces Bonus Poker

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I actually found one winning video of this hand on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/Tnhf-WVxLvM

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Tedlark wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:26 pm
Phil, you are aware that pay tables can change depending on denomination. Correct? So you are only making this point if a player is on a machine that has a locked in denomination?
The video poker pay tables at my local casino are the same from quarters to dollars. They are in the 97% range. I can buy better table tables if I move up to $5 machines. The $5 machines are 99%, which is still negative by a bunch.

What would switching from quarters to $5 a coin buy me? It would increase the casino's profit substantially. The casino would love me. They would shower me with comps and free play. They would give me a better parking space and the waitresses would be magnitudes prettier. My players card would be gold with Tier Level 1,000 or some such thing printed on it. I might even be invited to a special drawing with all the other suckers. I would have huge bankroll swings. I would eventually have to tell my wife I lost $50K gambling. She would think I was nuts and she would be right.

I know my limitations. I know the casino is going to beat me and I have zero chance of beating them. Nothing they could offer me would temp me into this trap.

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Let me add this so no one misconstrues what I stated above. I am talking about the opportunities at my local casino, not necessarily yours. Your casino may offer better games, better comps and you may be more skilled than I am at 73 years old. I couldn't beat the games I play at 50 years old, so why would I try now?

There are other factors involved here as well. I spent my entire life working so I could retire comfortably. My high earning years are over and I am enjoying what's left of my life. When you get to where I am, you will be frugal with your money because you don't know what's ahead of you. A couple million dollars is not a lot of money if you may have to live on it for 20 years or more.

A bigger problem for me is bracket creep. Who doesn't like the thrill of a hand pay? If I moved to bigger games, I could receive them regularly. Then I would get to see them a second time on my tax returns.

Everyone's situation is different. There is no all-in-one perfect strategy when it comes to managing your money.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:05 am
Tedlark wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:26 pm
Phil, you are aware that pay tables can change depending on denomination. Correct? So you are only making this point if a player is on a machine that has a locked in denomination?
The video poker pay tables at my local casino are the same from quarters to dollars. They are in the 97% range. I can buy better table tables if I move up to $5 machines. The $5 machines are 99%, which is still negative by a bunch.

What would switching from quarters to $5 a coin buy me? It would increase the casino's profit substantially. The casino would love me. They would shower me with comps and free play. They would give me a better parking space and the waitresses would be magnitudes prettier. My players card would be gold with Tier Level 1,000 or some such thing printed on it. I might even be invited to a special drawing with all the other suckers. I would have huge bankroll swings. I would eventually have to tell my wife I lost $50K gambling. She would think I was nuts and she would be right.

I know my limitations. I know the casino is going to beat me and I have zero chance of beating them. Nothing they could offer me would temp me into this trap.

A simple yes would have done the trick. It's interesting that you casually mentioned playing $5.00 denomination.

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My experience with $5 games is limited. As strange as it sounds, I am substantially ahead on those games. The few times I have played $5 games, I used single coin CS. In the past five years or so, I have posted photos of $3,625 in wins playing this way (see below). One of those times, I hit a $625 max coin wild royal on the very next hand. I did not receive a W2-G for any of those wins. Does this prove $5 games pay better? Does it prove playing single coin pays better? Does it prove anything other than it's good to be lucky?

The problem with playing big all the time is the cost of losing between wins. I don't have that problem because I never play $5 machines more than $20 at a time and I walk with my winnings. My total coin-in on $5 machines over my lifetime has been less than $500. Is this a long term winning strategy? I would never make that claim. Still, here it is.
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Post by Chicagoan »

Your total lifetime coin-in for $5 machines is less than $500, and yet your three photos show wins totaling $2,625. That's a 500%+ profit margin. Way to go, Phil! Keep on playing those $5 machines!

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I hardly ever play $5 machines. I haven't done so in a few years. Perhaps I should?

This was during the two year period when I was testing the long term results of CS. All of this has been talked to death on this forum before, so there is no need to go over it again. I was doing well with one dollar CS, so I decided to try it on $5 machines. Right outside of the high limit room in the main casino there were three $5 video poker machines. I played $20 in each machine. The first time I played them was when I sat next to the lady that scorned me for winning $1,000. I've written about that before too. The second week I hit another $1,000 quad deuce. The third week, I hit a third $1,000 quad deuce and the wild royal. If you look at the third photo above, I came one card away from a $5,000 quad deuce on that hand. The forth week, the casino disabled the coin buttons forcing me to play $25 a hand. I did not take the bait.

I quit playing CS because I like hitting max coin royals. I believe they cost me more than I win, but they are a big part of the fun. To play max coins all the time, I increased my bankroll. At this point, I play max coin quarters 99% of the time. My pot shots are all at max coin dollars.

I have no experience with advantage play other than what I read on these forums. I go to the casino to play the games, not walk around looking for opportunities. I know the games I play cost money to play and that's fine as long as I get my money's worth and I do.

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Post by Chicagoan »

So, let me get this straight. We should mistrust the actual evidence of your wins vs your coin-in, and instead follow the accepted theory that losing is absolutely guaranteed?

If you sell hotdogs for a living and you are making a nice profit, and then an advantage hotdog eater comes along and tells you, no, in fact you cannot make a profit selling hotdogs, here's the math, do you immediately shut down your hotdog business and try something else?

If someone tells me they invested less than $500 to make $3,625, I would --- at the least --- think that perhaps they were onto something. Certainly, worth trying it some more.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

But it is all short term so anything can happen. Luck is such a huge part of video poker.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:35 pm
But it is all short term so anything can happen. Luck is such a huge part of video poker in short term.

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