How many different video poker games do you play?

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
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Re: How many different video poker games do you play?

Post by olds442jetaway »

:lol: Oh! That’s good. I know right where one of those “hot” ones is at Mohegan Sun and where one ice cold one is at Foxwoods Fox Tower. It is about 20 feet from big glass doors that when open create quite the wind tunnel.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:57 am
What I have a problem with is the assumption that everyone who plays positive video poker perfectly will make a long term profit. This is an assumption based on hope not fact. Hope sells.
Phil, who here, besides you, has made this "assumption?" Please tell me that what you wrote was not a (thinly) veiled shot at Bob Dancer? Or maybe it was a (thinly) veiled shot at a different Video Poker Expert: Video Poker Expert X?

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Post by advantage playe »

it has been a while since I have been at foxwoods , somehow I miss it !

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:15 am
My purpose in making these comments is to get players to think for themselves.
Please tell the forum then, just what your purpose was when you were trying to market your Cheap Strategy, "CS" here?

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onemoretry wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:57 pm
New2vp wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:44 am
I simply thought that onemoretry's question was more reasonable than Phil's response.
Me too, obviously! And thank you very much for your comprehensive (and colourful) dissection of Phil's statements.

I put the question out there, in the first place, because it seemed clear that Phil was already departing from his "I'm simply going to report on my casino experiences" position, and was branching out into subjects he said he was going to avoid. At times, it seems he sees himself as a teacher, a role for which he is, by his own admission, unqualified.
OMT, you're welcome. It is funny that questioning his assertions that experts say DDB is unbeatable caused him to accuse me of wanting to believe that math predetermines video poker outcomes.

If we look at the "welcome back" thread, it may provide some clarity as to what's going on here.

FloridaPhil: Here's what would be helpful to me. Post a list of what you don't wish to be repeated. I'll start the list. I am no longer discussing experts. I am not disputing Advantage Play Strategy. Take it from here. Emphasis added

Webman: Welcome back, Phil. You were given a list previously. I believe you even printed it out and had it next to your computer at one point.

Previously,

FloridaPhil: To make everyone happy, I taped a copy of the nine repetitive items on the front of my PC. … In the future, I will check the list so I don't keep repeating myself. ... I intend to do my part. We will see what happens.

For reference,

case: Phil we do understand your plight...all of us...even the "newbies"

1:You have poor VP in Florida
2: The games are unbeatable in Florida and most of the country
3: You play lower stakes so you lose less money but are still entertained
4: You worry people will get the wrong impression and think VP is a beatable game in any casino and you fight for that to be clear
5: You only play dollars when you win a bit for the thrill of the big payoff even though you know it is a losing proposition.
6: You do agree with the math but nothing is guaranteed.
7: You believe most people on here come across as winners and you want to correct that. (most people are not long term winners and everyone know this)
8: You believe rather than talk about winning we should discuss the dangers of playing and what it can do to your life, especially if you play for too high of stakes.
9: There is way more money in the stock market than in VP.

I could go on of course but my point is just to say we understand all this and I believe most new players who take the time to learn the proper strategy also know this. Most people I see in the casino play quarters, even in Vegas. They play max coin, not because they think they can win but for the thrill of the big hands. A one coin royal is like kissing your sister.

There are people who play for a living but sure they are far and few between. We all get this.

I do feel your frustration and know you mean well. It is just that we have heard your message and get it. Now let us move on my friend.


So after onemoretry's question and my question that the answer was nonresponsive, rather than realizing that maybe most experts have not deemed all DDB to be unbeatable, FP starts imagining that my question has different meanings. And this brings him to the point of going off topic and, it looks like, trying to see how many more of the items on the list he can rerant about.

We all know how that ended last time.

Webman: The reasons for Phil's suspension were:
1) Unrelenting repetition of the same points over and over, despite numerous warnings.
2) Repeatedly bringing up "Bob Dancer" aka "the Expert" aka "a famous author" aka however else he refers to him, despite promising not to bring him up any further in the Recreational forum. There is of course nothing wrong with discussing Bob dancer on this web site. However, Phil has a history of inaccurately portraying Mr Dancer's teaching that must be taken into consideration, in addition to doing so in the Recreational forum repeatedly where he has specifically stated he would not do so.


What does this mean? We can all reach our own conclusions.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

There are games ( vp games ) being put in as we speak at both Ct casinos. I will not play any of these gimmick games which seem like a cross between vp and a regular slot machine. Today at Mohegan sun they have removed a big section of old faithful traditional vp machines. I don’t even want to know what will be put in there. The place is like a ghost town to boot. The virus is definitely taking its toll on attendance here. It now appears this thing is being spread much easier than previously thought. If anyone wants to they can just google New Rochelle corona virus. You will see how easily it has spread from one family to neighbors on either side. I’m afraid my updated answer to what vp games will I be playing may soon be none.

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Post by New2vp »

Olds, stay healthy.

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New2vp wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:44 am
Otabill, no salivation here. You may think what I wrote was wrong, but if you reread it, I advised "remember not to continuously give us your interpretation of what Dancer or other experts say or think." You suggested, "please don't quote BD." Those seem like fairly similar recommendations.

I kept to the subject of what Phil and onemoretry wrote without additional references to "VP strategy and optimal play." No issue with you taking Phil's side here. Maybe you thought that what I wrote had something to do with math predetermining results, but if you reread it, I think you will see that meandering belonged to Phil's imagination. I simply thought that onemoretry's question was more reasonable that Phil's response.

I'm certainly open to your critical response and disagreement.
A couple of quick points. I appreciate your response. I am not taking Phil's side, only pointing out that he is putting himself in a precarious position quoting BD and unnamed experts. BTW, this is not the first time I've chided him on gratuitously bringing up BD, etc. Quite frankly, the OP's questions have nothing to do with unbeatable games and other off-topic comments. No need for anyone to bring up EV, percentages in this topic. At least that's my view.

My point about provocation was not specifically directed at you. Otherwise I would have replied to your post. To me the "colorful language" as OMT put it you and others have used could be viewed as provocative since seemingly Phil is almost exclusively the recipient. I believe a straightforward response would have been in order. Again, that's how I feel.

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with anything I say here as long as it's done civilly, without rancor or insults. The same courtesy should be accorded to other Forum posters as well.

Peace.
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Post by New2vp »

Otabill, I tip my cap to you. No handshakes or fist bumps until this coronavirus thing is under control. ;)

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New2vp wrote:
Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:38 pm
Otabill, I tip my cap to you.
Thank you. Just one quick note, rather than start a pissing contest here, when I felt someone was going beyond the pale, so to speak, in responding inappropriately to something I posted (a number of years ago), I PMed Webman. Same regarding any post anyone finds problematic. Let him handle the matter however he sees fit.

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