Considering Switching games

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
stevel96a1
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Considering Switching games

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im more of a jack or better type of guy, even DW stretches the bankroll but after gambling heavy for a year and off and on since 2014, i realize money is money and concluding 500$ played on a .25 machine or 500$ played on 1$ machine will result in a loss of -500$ if the game is negative. however winpoker 6 has opened my eyes if your willing to risk 1,000 in a short period of time double double bonus and triple double bonus has a higher win frequency over jacks/Dw, i have cataloged the hands played and coin in and amount won and the clear winner is those high violetile games. i have not seen Jacks/Dw ever climb as high as over 1,000 credit winner w/o the royal or DW yet those other games don't need the royal to reach that high, thats why i see Hophoofer play them, with all my testing those BP/JOb/DW can not reach a winner without the royal so i plan my next outting on DDBl or TDB maybe TTB

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Post by Jstark »

Remember that you need 3 of a kind or better on DDB or TDB for it to be considered a "win." High and two pair are only pushes.

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Post by tech58 »

If you can find a pay-table better than 99.54%, and the balls and the BR to go with it, just back your Brinks truck up to the loading dock and go for it. LOL. :up:

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Post by stevel96a1 »

tech58 wrote:
Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:10 pm
If you can find a pay-table better than 99.54%, and the balls and the BR to go with it, just back your Brinks truck up to the loading dock and go for it. LOL. :up:
my gaming does have 98.91 DW but its 5$ per turn, baccarat has 5$ min bet but has 98.95% return

how does one win a jackpot from baccarat?? most of my testing was getting ahead maybe 6-10 units and the variance monster comes along and wipes out my profit typical gambling session from gaming tables

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Post by FloridaPhil »

There are more factors to consider when choosing a game than odds. Math and computer simulations tend to be overly simplistic. When you attempt to apply them to human play, they can mask reality.

If you switch from Jacks or Better to DDB or TDB, you will experience bigger wins more frequently. You will also experience longer periods of significant loss. You will have days when your wallet drains so fast it will make your head spin. If you are weak, you will hit the ATM and make matters worse. I have had the experience of hitting three sets of four aces with a kicker within a few hours. This made up for the hours and hours when I did not hit a quad. Do you have the guts and bankroll to lose nine out of ten trips so you can win big on one of them?

I believe Deuces Wild is the best game for a Recreational Player. It can be played longer with the same money. All you need to go home even is a quad deuce which happens to me on average about one each day. The days you don't hit one will be followed by multiples on other days. The game is also engaging and interesting. If played accurately, it can be found with some of the best odds in the casino. If you crave a big win, play Deuces Wild and take an occasional pot shot on the big machines. For me, this works much better than dropping my money down the DDB/TDB rat hole all day.

My only argument with video poker math is it reduces the game to numbers alone, ignoring what humans do and feel. If we were all computers, math would work every time. We are not computers, we are human.

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Post by stevel96a1 »

feels like i am living in a demon haunted world, i fear what may or may not be there yet i play and gamble believing i can win, starting to realize i don't control my fate the pay schedule does and lesser extend the RNG and now changing my mind to play .50 8/5 jacks over 9/5 tdb if im looking for a small win

https://imgur.com/a/7T5xPw2
manage to lose 20$ an hour and won it all back in 2 hands playing .50 the demon haunted world says nothing i did was just a matter of math and my luck will run out if i try that again but will savor the taste until then

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Post by FloridaPhil »

In a computer simulation, long term results are determined by the pay schedule and accuracy. With a human player in front of the machine, anything can happen. My long term play sessions may include more hands than yours. Yours may include more hands than someone who goes to the casino once a year. No one can predict what the RNG is going to do in an indeterminate period of time. For this reason alone, there will be winners and there will be losers. The more hands you play, the more influence the pay schedule and your accuracy have on your results.

This is not new information. It has been known for a long time. What we do not know is what you may do in the casino outside of a computer simulation. Will you change games mid play, play above your bankroll, play slots, drink too much, grow tired, tip the waitress $10 for a drink, hit a royal, hit the ATM? It's not the RNG or the pay schedule that has the most influence on our results. It is us.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

Above bankroll....trying not to for 2020, play slots... no, drink too much... nope, tired? Rarely, hit a Royal? Hardly ever, hit the ATM... got that under control for 2020, Tip the waitress?.... The other night a waitress I have known for many years asked me if I needed another beer. I said no thank you I am good. She said you look good to me too! I had tipped her 2 bucks a few minutes ago. Made me feel good anyway. Ofcourse I thanked her for the compliment.

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Post by pokerpokerpoker »

As far as I'm concerned, for the occasional recreational player, the more variance the better.

Say your local has two good games - 8/5 BP and 9/7 TDB and your objective is to go home a big winner (today). Besides a higher payback %, the TDB has multiple ways for 800, 2000, and 4000 credit wins. All it takes is one good hit. Of course, usually you will leave busted. The 8/5 BP will keep you in the game much longer, but eventually it will grind you down to busted.

Now, if there was a good reason to play all day and rack up points - maybe it is 12X points day, there is a good raffle and you want/need a lot of tickets, a juicy progressive and you want as many tries as possible to hit it, ect; then BP might be the better option.

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Post by FloridaPhil »

pokerpokerpoker wrote:
Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:04 am
As far as I'm concerned, for the occasional recreational player, the more variance the better.
I want a game that I can play as long as possible with as little money as possible. However, I don't want to wait 40,000 hands to cash a ticket. Bonus Poker is a good game. I can live with a 400 coin quad ace. Deuces Wild is better. It pays 1,000 coins for a quad deuce and you hold them all.

I often walk around the casino. I see a lot of jackpots on my walks. If I see someone hit a nice jackpot, I congratulate them as I walk by. If they are playing DDB, they usually tell me they are "almost even" for the day. "Almost even" means they are losing. I would never discourage anyone from doing what they enjoy. If you enjoy losing, DDB is a great game.

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