Game variant with greatest player error?

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Game variant with greatest player error?

Post by TripleTriple »

I don't play a lot of different games- mostly 9/6 DDB, 9/6 DDBAF and 9/7 TDB (no TTB despite my handle- no FP to be had). Strategy differs considerably between the DDB and TDB, but my error rate is very much the same (~1% # of hands, much less in EV). For those who play many different games or those who have such knowledge- what are the games that have a higher rate of player error, all things considered, everything else being equal? Yes anyone can learn to play a certain variant near perfect, but i am wondering about overall aggregate numbers. I have read Joker Poker strategy is difficult to master, so I expect that to get a mention.

And what variants have the greatest difference in strategy due to differences within their own paytables?

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Post by Vman96 »

Definitely 2 pair Joker Poker. Of "common variants" that's likely the worst one. Double Joker is tough too. And "One Eyed Jacks". For more common games, feel like 10/7 and 9/7 Double Bonus isn't super easy either.

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Post by tech58 »

Question? Asked only because i don't know,not as a criticism of any ones choice of games.
If the error rate in these more difficult games is higher, how much of the slightly higher ER is lost to errors?
Where i play, the best available is DDB at 99.96% which is .23% better than DW at 99.73%.
Assuming, for the purposes of this question,someone plays DW at .05% error rate instead of the 1% mentioned above, which game has the better return?

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Post by Carcounter »

Once had availability of 100.72% All Americans in AC. Knew I wasn't playing 100% perfect, but still knew it was the best game to play. Had to be more aggressive going for flushes and straights and straight flushes .Did very well for a few years till they were pulled.

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Post by advantage playe »

those were the days !

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Post by FloridaPhil »

Since you posted this question in the Recreational Forum, I'll throw in my two cents worth. The games you are playing are negative. This means the house gets a portion of every hand you play. It is worth the effort to find the best games available and play them as perfect as you are able because you will be able to play more hands for your money. Despite this, the more hands you play or the bigger you bet, the more you will pay the casino to play their games. For example, assuming the games are negative, making an error playing a $5 game could easily cost you more than making the same error on a quarter game.

If you expect to profit from playing video poker, you should never play any game unless you have an advantage on the house. In most of today's casinos you will need to add in comps to make this happen. You will need the discipline to stick to that directive, the skill to play as perfect as you can and the bankroll to out last the casino. There is no guarantee you will make a profit. Chances are you will.

If, on the other hand, you are playing for entertainment, your decision is more about the entertainment value received for your money. You may be surprised to know that 99% of players do not profit from the game and they keep playing despite this fact. This is because they enjoy playing the game and feel they receive good value for their money.

The question becomes, not what game is easier to play perfectly? It becomes what game do you like to play better? If you like a game, you will learn to play it better and you are more likely to stick with it. High variance games are more difficult to play because they can tax your discipline to the limit.

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Carcounter wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:21 am
Once had availability of 100.72% All Americans in AC
Ooh, I just loved that game, and I practised and practised it on my old winpoker programme until I could play it virtually error free. And, yes, there are some unusual holds to get used to. While I did play it a bit at one of the Trump casinos in Atlantic City, most of my play on it was at the Las Vegas Hilton. To me, it was a great game, made even better at the Hilton due to a casino error that was rewarding video poker players in that part of the casino as if they were playing slots.

I believe the All American name was exclusively Bally's. There is a similar game available today called USA poker with the same unique pay table structure. Unfortunately, the pays are not the same.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

I miss One Eyed Jacks. Years ago at Mohegan Sun, they had it at the 2 cent level, but you could play fron 2 cents to 2 bucks a hand. It was a Martingale Clone players dream. Even with mistakes in strategy, I did well on it. There were only a few of them lined up together and you could only get on them in the middle of the night. You could just wait them out by slowly upping your bet and when you hit, you offset your errors and earlier losses my best hit on the game other than Royals was a dealt five of. Kind.

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Post by onemoretry »

FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:49 am
Since you posted this question in the Recreational Forum, I'll throw in my two cents worth...
Based on your Mar18 post in another thread, I really thought you were going to abandon your soapbox. But, if you even did, it didn't take long to climb back on.

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Post by Carcounter »

onemoretry wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:18 am
Carcounter wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:21 am
Once had availability of 100.72% All Americans in AC
Ooh, I just loved that game, and I practised and practised it on my old winpoker programme until I could play it virtually error free. And, yes, there are some unusual holds to get used to. While I did play it a bit at one of the Trump casinos in Atlantic City, most of my play on it was at the Las Vegas Hilton. To me, it was a great game, made even better at the Hilton due to a casino error that was rewarding video poker players in that part of the casino as if they were playing slots.

I believe the All American name was exclusively Bally's. There is a similar game available today called USA poker with the same unique pay table structure. Unfortunately, the pays are not the same.
Yes 7 to 1 for straights, flushes and full houses instead of 8 to 1. Big change to payback. Caesars AC had the full pay version for dollars back in the day.

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