Something to Think About

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Re: Something to Think About

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:14 am
Today is Easter Sunday, a day of celebration for many of us. I was raised by people who believed we should care about others. I do not want bad things to happen to anyone. My greatest fear is someone will read what I post on this forum and conclude they should gamble for profit.

Some of my brethren believe all gambling is wrong. I do not share in this belief. My wife drinks a little wine at dinner. This does not make her an alcoholic. Thousands of years ago, God gave us ten laws. A little thievery, adultery, murder or idolatry is forbidden. I do not see anything in God's commandments about playing video poker. In my opinion, selling products on the basis of turning gambling into a source of income is immoral. Even if a few people benefit, you are profiting from the misery of others. Teachers can teach players how to be better players without claiming profits are guaranteed by math.

This current world crisis should show us that nothing is safe. There is only one way out and that is to work together for the betterment of everyone, not just a few APs.
Oh God.....

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Phil I have a problem when you tell the "new" players that the math does not work. You are leading them astray and not being truthful. I have no problem with you playing negative pay tables. You lose because the math works out. If you tell a new player the math does not work and you just need luck, then you are telling them they have as good a chance to win on any game. Not true.

It is fine to have a forum for the rec players but telling them lies is not fine.

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Waiting4RF wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:00 am

The math works. If it didn't, casinos would be posting loses month after month instead of millions made from gamblers.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:14 am
Today is Easter Sunday, a day of celebration for many of us. I was raised by people who believed we should care about others. I do not want bad things to happen to anyone. My greatest fear is someone will read what I post on this forum and conclude they should gamble for profit.

Some of my brethren believe all gambling is wrong. I do not share in this belief. My wife drinks a little wine at dinner. This does not make her an alcoholic. Thousands of years ago, God gave us ten laws. A little thievery, adultery, murder or idolatry is forbidden. I do not see anything in God's commandments about playing video poker. In my opinion, selling products on the basis of turning gambling into a source of income is immoral. Even if a few people benefit, you are profiting from the misery of others. Teachers can teach players how to be better players without claiming profits are guaranteed by math.

This current world crisis should show us that nothing is safe. There is only one way out and that is to work together for the betterment of everyone, not just a few APs.
phil the preacher. just like the ones on cable tv at 3am, it sure gets old quick.

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case wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:25 pm
Phil I have a problem when you tell the "new" players that the math does not work. You are leading them astray and not being truthful. I have no problem with you playing negative pay tables. You lose because the math works out. If you tell a new player the math does not work and you just need luck, then you are telling them they have as good a chance to win on any game. Not true.

It is fine to have a forum for the rec players but telling them lies is not fine.
The math our experts use works in a computer lab. Set up a positive game and in time it will yield a positive result. No one I know would dispute that. Applying those results to actual casino conditions with a human player is not good science.

Whether we want to admit it or not, we are all living in the "Short Term". Things happen to one person that may not happen to another. Children get cancer, George Burns lives to be 100, a person wins the lotto, another hits a $400,000 royal on a pot shot. Chance is everywhere. What are the chances someone eating a bat in China would shut down the world's commerce? Ask the dinosaurs how they feel about the odds of an asteroid wiping out their entire species.

Video poker, if it's legal, is totally random. The pure definition of random is "a lack of pattern or predictability in events". This means there is just as much chance you will win as lose on every hand. Randomness is not predictable. Anything can happen at any time. The experts say if I play video poker like a computer I can play more hands with my money. My experience has proven this to be accurate.

Some experts take this farther and conclude a player who can play computer perfect that plays only games with an edge will profit long term. I believe this is a false claim for three reasons. The first reason is video poker games with a player advantage are rare and getting rarer every day. The second reason is the claim any human can play like a computer long enough to make a difference. I think this is wishful thinking. The last reason is the most significant reason. I do not believe any human can play long enough to reach the expert's theoretical "long term". Gronbog has calculated that number numerous times. I believe he is grossly under calculating this number.

Hope and faith are powerful human traits. Some TV preachers use these traits to get people to send them money to "advance their ministry". I give my money to my local church to support my community. I am not buying myself a win in heaven. What I am against is using hope and faith as a casino marketing tool.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:23 am
case wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:25 pm
It is fine to have a forum for the rec players but telling them lies is not fine.
This means there is just as much chance you will win as lose on every hand. Randomness is not predictable.
Phil,
An equal chance to win or lose is 50% for each outcome. You are describing a fair coin flip, not video poker hands.

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I have given you my reasons why I do not believe humans can create video poker profits with math and skill alone. If you wish to believe it, it's your money, do what you want. I do not have to go along with it.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:48 am
I have given you my reasons why I do not believe humans can create video poker profits with math and skill alone. If you wish to believe it, it's your money, do what you want. I do not have to go along with it.
Are you a "flat earther" also?

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Jstark wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:52 am
Are you a "flat earther" also?
NO. I have seen photos of the Earth from space. I have never seen any verifiable proof of a long term video poker profit unless the player won big and never went back. Have you?

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