The Recreational Forum Needs To be Split into Two Parts

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
Webman
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Re: The Recreational Forum Needs To be Split into Two Parts

Post by Webman »

FloridaPhil wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:32 pm
I wish you luck. Unfortunately, that will never happen. The Recreational Forum was suppose to be that place. If you ever commit the unforgivable sin of contradicting the conclusions drawn by the video poker math establishment, you will be ostracized forever.
There's little that can be done about that.

Section 3 of the Video Poker Math Establishment agreement clearly states: Never have fun while playing games or refer to video poker as "recreational." Anyone describing video poker as such shall be ostracized. Forever.

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Post by FloridaPhil »

Webman wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:40 pm
There's little that can be done about that.

Section 3 of the Video Poker Math Establishment agreement clearly states: Never have fun while playing games or refer to video poker as "recreational." Anyone describing video poker as such shall be ostracized. Forever.
Gosh, I wish you would have told me about that sooner. :lol:

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Post by OTABILL »

Webman wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:21 pm
OTABILL wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:07 pm
I am interested in the mathematical aspects of VP, albeit calculus was not one of my favorite classes. What I want is one forum devoted to the fun aspects, non-mathematical aspects of playing VP in a casino. That's all.
You are spot on, OTABILL. That is the exact purpose of this forum (and why more than one is unnecessary).

If people would just stop bringing up "experts," long term play, etc and focus on experiences playing recreationally, we wouldn't have all these non-stop spinoffs. Unfortunately, the person most responsible for that sees himself as a victim rather than realizing his own contribution to the problem.

I suppose it's on me to better enforce the "recreational" aspect of this particular subforum.

Sometimes conversations evolve and it can be hard to tell exactly where this line was crossed.

I apologize, and I'll try to do better.
Webman, no apologies needed. The reason for my suggestion is that there are recreational players who are more mathematically-oriented as VP aficionados. Others are, for a lack of better words, are more socially/fun-oriented. No offensive Phil, but your repetitiveness and preaching hasn't helped. However, the diverse types of recreational players, for me, is the overriding factor. Mixing apples and oranges does not seem to have worked despite your best efforts and intention. Separating the two might encourage social/fun-oriented types to increase their forum participation. Thanks again for your understanding my concerns. I'll defer to your best judgement on this matter.

Edit, I just looked at the "New Machines Unplayable" topic. A good example of a generally serious, more mathematically-oriented player post and comments.
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Post by tech58 »

Thank you FP for accepting ostracization (apparently not a word but i am going with it). :up: :D

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Post by New2vp »

OTABILL wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:25 pm
The reason for my suggestion is that there are recreational players who are more mathematically-oriented as VP aficionados. Others are, for a lack of better words, are more socially/fun-oriented. No offensive Phil, but your repetitiveness and preaching hasn't helped. However, the diverse types of recreational players, for me, is the overriding factor. Mixing apples and oranges does not seem to have worked despite your best efforts and intention. Separating the two might encourage social/fun-oriented types to increase their forum participation.
By my observation, more have been turned off (or run off) than the social/fun-oriented types. But I agree it would be more interesting if the topics were, other things equal, more diverse.

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Post by OTABILL »

New2vp wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:48 pm
OTABILL wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:25 pm
The reason for my suggestion is that there are recreational players who are more mathematically-oriented as VP aficionados. Others are, for a lack of better words, are more socially/fun-oriented. No offensive Phil, but your repetitiveness and preaching hasn't helped. However, the diverse types of recreational players, for me, is the overriding factor. Mixing apples and oranges does not seem to have worked despite your best efforts and intention. Separating the two might encourage social/fun-oriented types to increase their forum participation.
By my observation, more have been turned off (or run off) than the social/fun-oriented types. But I agree it would be more interesting if the topics were, other things equal, more diverse.
I am sure both types have stayed away. I too would enjoy hearing from a diverse, expanded group of posters.

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Post by Tedlark »

FloridaPhil wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:12 am
onemoretry wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:49 am
I actually like the idea of splitting the recreational forum. We could have the FP one, where only FP could post, and another one for all the rest of us, from which FP is barred from posting.
I am fairly sure that would work if others were allowed to read my posts uncensored. I predict it would be one of the most popular forums. I doubt most members would want to be barred from posting on my forum, but it would work for me.
Webman is there anything in the Video Poker Math Agreement about limiting the number of predictions any one forum member can make before they transition from Recreational Prediction Maker to Advantage Prediction Maker?

Including this one: 13 other predictions have been made in almost exactly 4 years (1st one 4/21/17). What is interesting is this same predictor claims that they can predict, while both math and CS cannot. I chose not to add my picture of Carson in the Carnac hat to conserve forum space.

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Post by DougJ »

Webman wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:57 am
Phil, you are welcome to start a topic claiming that you win more during a full moon. You are not welcome to demand . . . .


Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Just adorable. "Webman" can't control himself/herself and is more antagonistic than the usual posters here. Tell us how you REALLY feel.

Perfect example of why there are very few new posters, just the same old rubbish. . . because the so-called website moderator here can't even ANSWER the original poster's comment in post one. Nope. Far more fun to go on the attack as usual against Florida Phil IN POST THREE on this thread.

And it took lots of unnecessary sentences to get his/her anger across . . . wow, webman has a word count he has to reach in one day. :roll: :roll:

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Post by Vman96 »

FloridaPhil wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:44 am
Webman. In your experience has anyone ever been harmed by believing video poker is beatable?
I have a bad feeling you have. I got the impression you lost significantly years ago. Possibly soon after reading up on books on the subject.

The beginning of my foray as a recreational video poker player (2001-2006) got off to a bad start. Even if I would have played the best games and promos all of the time, I probably would have still lost with my smallish sample of hands. I was on the negative end of variance. No royals. And no quads on 99.95% quarter pickem too which I played a lot of in 2003 at Harrah's STL. I finally got one of those quads on quarters in Sept. 2014 at Fremont. And no Deuces on Deuces Wild, which I STILL haven't done for quarters+. Lol But my quarter Deuces play is pretty sporadic now. 2-3 cycles limetime maybe.

And OTABILL, the statement by Scarne about staying within your budget is as wise one. I think Bob and bill were just being more concerned about some of his other discussions on gambling topics in his various books and videos. I haven't read much of his work, so I can't really say that for myself.

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Post by onemoretry »

Some of these recent posts caused me, out of curiosity, to look up some of the earlier ones being referred to. I quickly found an eight year old thread called Objective in playing vp.

Most, but not all, the players are different, but the discussion is eerily similar.

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