Recreational Forum Reset

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
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Post by Carcounter »

BTW, the worst casinos I have ever been in as far as dirt and grime were the local casinos in Biloxi years ago. I think the hurricane wiped most of them out. Remember the pirate ship casino? What a mess.

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Carcounter wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:16 am
If you think Borgata was bad, try one of the NYC casinos or Philly casinos.
No thanks. Our favorite places to play video poker are places with something to offer other than good odds. If you have never been to Colorado, try Black Hawk or Cripple Creek. Just getting to those casinos is a treat. I like Reno myself. Looks like a western movie. The Peppermill has rows of NSU deuces wild games in every denomination you would want. When we go to Vegas, we play off the strip. Red Rock is the best we have found. Southpoint is second.

Vegas also has some interesting things to see. I especially enjoy a drive out to Death Valley. I expect to see Ronald Regan driving a team of mules. For you young guys, Google "Reagan twenty mule team borax". :lol:
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Carcounter wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:18 am
BTW, the worst casinos I have ever been in as far as dirt and grime were the local casinos in Biloxi years ago. I think the hurricane wiped most of them out. Remember the pirate ship casino? What a mess.
Some of them were pretty bad. Before Katrina, we often stayed at Casino Magic. After the storm, that casino ended up in a pile down the street. I do remember the pirate ship. The games weren't all that good, but the experience was interesting.

Some people don't know that all the casinos in Biloxi were originally on the water. They sold Mississippi voters on gambling by saying they would be on boats. Katrina changed all that. The best video poker games in Biloxi were at the old Margaritaville casino. They took so much business away from the other casinos that they ran them out of the State over a hotel license. At the present time, the best VP in Biloxi is at the IP. The nicest hotel in Biloxi is the Beau Rivage.

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Phil, I can live without the casinos. I don't like losing however. I have always said that when the good games are gone, so am I. The casino "experience" isn't worth it to me if I don't have a fair shot at winning.As I have said in the past, I have kept good records since 2003, have played almost exclusively in AC and have done well.Lately,not as good as 2003-2008, but have held my own. My wife can't stand casinos anywhere, even Las Vegas, so casino trips are out of the question. Room comps are meaningless to me. I am curious about the dollar JW game at Ocean because the paytable is very good and if they ever open, I might put some bankroll aside and take a run at it. The high limit room at Ocean is clean and usually pretty empty. My kind of place.

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FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:33 am
onemoretry wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:59 pm
And, players are not always going to share what they do find out through there own efforts. For example, in your April 16 post in the casinos and inflation thread, you stated, regarding comped rooms at the Beau RIvage: "All they ask is that we play max quarters long enough to give them a chance to recoup their investment. Through experience, we have learned what that number is". But when you were asked to share that number, you wouldn't. Why is that?
There is no exact number of hands because Comps are a moving target.
Do you ever read what you've written previously? On April 16, you stated: "we have learned what that number is". Now, however, you have changed your tune and say: "There is no exact number".

Will you ever come to realize that folks can not possibly take you seriously when you contradict yourself?

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Post by FloridaPhil »

If we had 99.92% games we would play them. Not because we believe we can't hit a jackpot on a 97% game, because we get more play for our money. Near positive games exist because casinos use them to lure players into their facilities. If winning was assured, they wouldn't be offered.

How or what games we play is determined by the value we receive. Playing video poker in a gas station is not the same as playing in a luxurious waterfront hotel. What is the value of that experience? That depends solely on the person. When you walk into the Beau Rivage lobby, all you see are beautiful flowers in all directions. The hotel desk clerk knows your name. The lady in the restaurant is the same person who has been serving you for ten years. All the slot hosts and managers smile and seem to love their job. The machines are clean and all the buttons work. This has value to us.

Would we play video poker in the back of a dark smokey warehouse if the odds were good? Not a chance. There is more to video poker than odds and math. If that's all that matters, you are missing much of the casino experience.

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Post by Carcounter »

Phil, I guess you missed the gist of my post. I would never play in an unhealthy, smoky casino. I have said this many times. There is a positive double Joker progressive at Caesars AC, that is in a smoky area and has the usual suspects (people with questionable hygiene habits) hogging the machines, so I stay far away. Haven't been there for years. I have a 9/6 JOB multi strike game at Borgata that is an end machine in a non smoking section that I play a lot. The high limit room at Ocean is a clean, uncrowded environment.

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I didn't miss your point. If the Tampa Hard Rock opened today with full pay deuces wild, I would get in my car and play. If they opened today with the same 97% games they had before, I would do the same thing because I know the odds do not affect what happens today. The odds affect some theoretical future ER that I could care less about.

Should I stay home because I don't have positive games to play? Should I fly to Las Vegas just because they do? Some people use positive math and odds to explain what happens when they get lucky. If all you play are positive games, you believe playing positive games are the only way to win. This is like my wife concluding the only way to get a royal flush is to play deuces wild because that's the only game she plays.

Play within your limits. Enjoy the game no matter what the odds are. If you don't want to lose a lot of money, reduce your coin-in until you find a place where losing doesn't matter. If you can't stomach losing, find something else to do with your leisure time.

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I believe you have a deuces game at Tampa that is close to 99% for .50 and higher. I played it last spring on a weekend spring training trip. I would play this rather than a 97% game. Got a 2k royal on a re-draw after tossing 5 cards. Only time that has ever happened to me.

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Post by Carcounter »

Good Happy Hour at the Council Oak steakhouse as well. I would go back.

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