Recreational Forum Reset

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FloridaPhil
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Re: Recreational Forum Reset

Post by FloridaPhil »

Carcounter wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:21 am
I believe you have a deuces game at Tampa that is close to 99% for .50 and higher. I played it last spring on a weekend spring training trip. I would play this rather than a 97% game. Got a 2k royal on a re-draw after tossing 5 cards. Only time that has ever happened to me.
They pulled most of those machines when they opened the new casino. The 99% games now start at $5 a coin. There are still a few of the old games scattered around the old casino floor. You can find them if you look hard enough. 99% is still a long way from positive and the Hard Rock comps aren't nearly enough to make up the difference.

I believe playing positive VP games is overrated. Some years back I played NSU deuces wild in Reno for three days and lost more than I could believe was possible. My wife and I drove to Tahoe for our 50th anniversary. The morning after, I hit a royal flush for $1,000 and two $250 quad deuces on a 97% game. So much for positive games.

Believing in positive VP games is like believing the Shroud of Turin is what it claims to be. To true believers, no amount of evidence will ever change their mind. I don't for a minute believe successful players think they can tell a winning machine from a losing machine just from the odds alone. When we play at Red Rock, the full pay machines all have signs on them showing they are. The casino manager must be splitting a lung laughing at all the players who expect to beat them.
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FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:33 am
I am not an expert on comps. There is an expert here. He chooses not to answer my questions.
I am going to go waaay out on a limb here, and assume you are referring to your "favourite" expert, Bob Dancer.

Yet, he produced a lengthy post on April 3 in the Full pay vp games thread in response to another poster who asked about the number.

Apparently, you read it, because, on April 14 you commented on it: "Great information, very detailed and honest".

Not to be too repetitive here, but, again, you seem to be contradicting yourself.

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Post by Waiting4RF »

Car, MrFuji had posts back in Nov 2018 about Ocean. I briefly talked to him at Ocean back then. His experience was before the casino was sold so things may be different now.

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Post by Carcounter »

FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:02 am
Carcounter wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:21 am
I believe you have a deuces game at Tampa that is close to 99% for .50 and higher. I played it last spring on a weekend spring training trip. I would play this rather than a 97% game. Got a 2k royal on a re-draw after tossing 5 cards. Only time that has ever happened to me.
They pulled most of those machines when they opened the new casino. The 99% games now start at $5 a coin. There are still a few of the old games scattered around the old casino floor. You can find them if you look hard enough. 99% is still a long way from positive and the Hard Rock comps aren't nearly enough to make up the difference.

I believe playing positive VP games is overrated. Some years back I played NSU deuces wild in Reno for three days and lost more than I could believe was possible. My wife and I drove to Tahoe for our 50th anniversary. The morning after, I hit a royal flush for $1,000 and two $250 quad deuces on a 97% game. So much for positive games.

Believing in positive VP games is like believing the Shroud of Turin is what it claims to be. To true believers, no amount of evidence will ever change their mind. I don't for a minute believe successful players think they can tell a winning machine from a losing machine just from the odds alone. When we play at Red Rock, the full pay machines all have signs on them showing they are. The casino manager must be splitting a lung laughing at all the players who expect to beat them.
Sorry to hear they may have pulled the lower denom 99% games. I only played this because I was on vacation and it was the best game available. At 99%, I was ok with a few hundred bucks. I wouldn't play it at my home casino if there were 99.5, 99.69 and 99.75% games available, which there are. I can't speak to experience with 97% games because I haven't played them. My results on 100% plus games when they were available was positive, that's all I can say. Was it luck or math? For about 6 years I played them, at least once a week, sometimes twice a week and figured 150,000 hands per year. So maybe 900,000-1,000,000 hands over 6 years. Statistically significant? I don't know. If good players weren't running positive on these machines, why did they pull them?

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Post by FloridaPhil »

Carcounter wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:38 am
If good players weren't running positive on these machines, why did they pull them?
They pull them when the profit they make for the casino isn't enough. They replace them with machines that make more profit. Tampa has no competition, so the players must play what they are given or stay home.

I believe playing the best games as accurately as possible is beneficial. If you don't take advantage of comps and incentives, you are ignoring part of your return. Going to classes, practicing with software and learning all you can about the game is all good. The only thing I disagree with is that doing these things will make you a long term winner. Outside of a computer lab, there has never been any verifiable proof to back up this claim.

It makes no difference to most players anyway. Most players pay to play video poker and continue to play despite that fact. There must be something other than profit that makes people do this? For most people, playing video poker is fun. Anticipating a jackpot is exciting, hitting one is even better. I believe the anticipation is actually more entertaining than when it happens. This is the good side of gambling.

No one likes to lose. Losing spells are part of the game. Playing positive games will not keep them from happening. When you hit a long losing spell, the casino starts to become something you dread. Hit enough of them and you may quit the game entirely. This is the bad side of gambling.

It is entirely possible to do everything right and lose on any given day. It is entirely possible to do everything wrong and win on any given day. This is what makes video poker playable for so many. Doing things right lets you play more hands with the same money. The more hands you play, the more stuff the casino will give you. That's pretty much all there is to it.

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Post by Carcounter »

I think that prior to the recession and competition from adjoining states, AC casinos could live with the fact that some VP players were taking modest amounts of money out of the casino. That is not the case anymore.

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Post by Webman »

FloridaPhil wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:32 am
I believe playing the best games as accurately as possible is beneficial. If you don't take advantage of comps and incentives, you are ignoring part of your return. Going to classes, practicing with software and learning all you can about the game is all good. The only thing I disagree with is that doing these things will make you a long term winner. Outside of a computer lab, there has never been any verifiable proof to back up this claim.

It makes no difference to most players anyway. Most players pay to play video poker and continue to play despite that fact. There must be something other than profit that makes people do this? For most people, playing video poker is fun. Anticipating a jackpot is exciting, hitting one is even better. I believe the anticipation is actually more entertaining than when it happens. This is the good side of gambling.

No one likes to lose. Losing spells are part of the game. Playing positive games will not keep them from happening. When you hit a long losing spell, the casino starts to become something you dread. Hit enough of them and you may quit the game entirely. This is the bad side of gambling.

It is entirely possible to do everything right and lose on any given day. It is entirely possible to do everything wrong and win on any given day. This is what makes video poker playable for so many. Doing things right lets you play more hands with the same money. The more hands you play, the more stuff the casino will give you. That's pretty much all there is to it.
Phil,

How many times have you posted that exact same thing? Everyone here already understands your view on those matters. Everyone also knows your view of Bob Dancer and your desire for him to talk about playing negative machines that you brought up earlier in the topic. But you also promised to stop bringing that up.

I'm not asking you to change your mind. I've only been asking you to stop repeating the same things over and over.

We have been here before, too many times. The "forum reset" button did not accomplish its purposes.

Your return to the forum started out well but we are now right back where we were when you were suspended.

I think it's time for you to start a blog where you can share your opinions as frequently as you'd like without receiving the criticism that comes from doing so on a forum. This just will never work. The forum needs to move beyond these repetitive patterns that take any conversation in circles.

You have a lot of experiences to share about Recreational play. Your opinion is valued, and I will gladly provide a link to your blog if you decide to create one. But I'm afraid this needs to come to an end for the sake of the forum.

If you do not wish to start a blog, then you will need to take your posting to another forum as you did when you were previously suspended.

I'm very sorry it's come to this, and wish you nothing but the best.

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Post by Webman »

Closing topic. If someone wants to start one about comps, that sounds great.

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