Comps for the low budget gambler

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davidearl
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Re: Comps for the low budget gambler

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wildman49 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 11:09 am
Come Back Kid wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:59 pm
The way a host explained it to me, was...If you go to the casino twice a week and spend $125 each time. You are considered a $125 player (even though you spent $1000 in the month) But if you only went once for the entire month, and spent $1000, you are considered a $1000 player...Therefore you are a higher rated player, hence more promo, comps etc. This is based over a 3 month period, so every time they consider your offers, its based on the last 3 months of your play.
I'm not sure if all casino's are the same, but that's what I was told.
I put this very same question to my host and was told if both players put the same coin in over a month time frame, one does it in 4 hours per trip and one does it 1 hour a trip, the same coin in is the same in comps. I think there is a whole lot of bull cookies coming from my host office. They just don't want to say. The 3 month average is the norm at most casinos.

Tech and I are on to something but can't really comment on it here just yet since we just got the ball rolling on it when the shut down hit. It has to do with sessions per machine.
I would guess your host was talking about 2 video poker players, Wildman. My wife and I had about the same Tier for this year, but she got more comps than me, even though, as a video poker player, I had twice as much coin in.

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Post by notes1 »

tech58 wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:38 pm
The best we can gather, so far, is that it penalizes short sessions. AKA hit-and-run.
i have no proof, but i believe this to be true. here is the question, if one is rewarded (comps) for extended play on a single machine and loses (comps) for short play, aka, hit and run, what is actually the best play? seems to me that anything the casino rewards one for, is unlikely to be in the players best long term interest.

so, while one might lose out on comps, maybe they actually end up better off.

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Post by Tedlark »

I believe that Bob Dancer has also mentioned in the past that "hit and runs" are penalized by casinos when calculating comps.

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Post by Waiting4RF »

My view for a low roller is if you have a close local independent casino with bad pay tables, you do not want to play for comps. The longer you play a negative game, the more you lose. Since the casino is local, you do not need a room. Use hit and quit instead. I have done this and walked out after playing one hand. I don't get any comps (obviously) but I still use a card.

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Post by tech58 »

notes1 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 11:46 pm
tech58 wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:38 pm
The best we can gather, so far, is that it penalizes short sessions. AKA hit-and-run.
i have no proof, but i believe this to be true. here is the question, if one is rewarded (comps) for extended play on a single machine and loses (comps) for short play, aka, hit and run, what is actually the best play? seems to me that anything the casino rewards one for, is unlikely to be in the players best long term interest.

so, while one might lose out on comps, maybe they actually end up better off.
Notes i have been reading and re-reading this post all morning. Your logic is sound. :up:
Thanks for the post,it's caused me to revise my thinking a bit.

My earliest lesson along these lines came from a pit-boss in Lake Tahoe in 1977. I asked him what type of play that casinos did not like. His answer was "hit-and-run".
So here again,43 years later, the casino is telling me the same thing!

So it seems to me to be logical that discovering a key to the computer derived comp system will only be one tool in our bag of tricks. A blend of rolling long when the flow of the game tells you to,combined with profit taking in it's time,seems "to be in the players best long term interest".

However throwing in all the truism's which have been pounded home on this site many times such as
there are no hot or cold machines,you only recognize a streak when it's over,believe the math. etc. etc. compounds the thinking.

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Post by Eduardo »

notes1 wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 11:46 pm
seems to me that anything the casino rewards one for, is unlikely to be in the players best long term interest.
I view comps very differently than this. But I may be in a different situation as a vacation gambler than people who play locally.

For me, I'm not going to play any more or less based on comps. No comps are bad for me, as a player.

What comps do affect is where I play and spend my money. I am much more likely to stay and play at a place that has given me offers and wants my recurring business. It is a means to win a player over from the competition and establish brand loyalty.

Advantage players likely see it very differently. They are taking advantage of a system that wasn't really designed for them. Can't fault them for it. Unfortunately, it probably has reduced comps for the rest of us as casinos try to avoid being exploited.

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Post by tech58 »

Eduardo, i believe Notes is not referring to comp's themselves as being bad for the player, but rather the
process of earning them can have unintended consequences.

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Post by OTABILL »

When we were playing VP at one local years ago, Casino Arizona, the only comps were weekly presents. Wound up with a closet full of all kinds of things, in duplicate. Gave many away. No other offers at the time.

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Post by notes1 »

tech58 wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 1:05 pm
Eduardo, i believe Notes is not referring to comp's themselves as being bad for the player, but rather the
process of earning them can have unintended consequences.
bingo!

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Post by olds442jetaway »

That’s for sure. Especially if you know you have to earn a certain number of points for what my casino calls an achievement award say 100 bucks free play. Sometimes these are time and date sensitive. So lets say I need 7 more points th get that 100 buck free play. To get 7 points, I have to cycle through 3500 bucks. The last time I tried it on job i Went quadless. I got the hundred free play, but it cost me 300 which was just trying to get the 7 points.

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