A couple of good ones!

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Player422738
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Re: A couple of good ones!

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My question to @Webman:

Is that redraw of royal flush a feature has been developed and deployed for any specific casino? Can you please ask your project managers?

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hophoofer wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:00 am
OTABILL wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 11:39 pm
OTABILL wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:41 am
OTABILL wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:11 pm
FAA, I would not try to starve the machine at any time. There is no way you can predict whether you will hit early, late, in the middle or throughout, your session. Sometimes nothing makes any sense other than to prove randomness. Given the relatively few hands I have played over the past few months, I have been dealt 4 Jacks on the first hand after inserting a twenty. This week I hit 4 fours, 4 times, none with a kicker. Three of the four times were consecutive over 2 days. They were the only quads I hit during that time until down to my last $1.25 in the machine, I hit 4 queens. Today, I was dealt 4 deuces with the kicker. The next hand, had a pair of 8s and was dealt the other 2 on the re-deal. The only thing consistent is that I play the max 5 coins every hand.
So Thursday I went to the casino for about 1 1/2 hours. Must of played about 500 -600 hands. Guess what I hit 4 fours. 5th time this week. Again no kicker. Also 4 eights again. The quirkiness of VP.
Went back to the casino tonight. Played about 650 hands of DDB. Hit 4 fours for the 6th time in the last 2 weeks and once again, no kicker. I figure I played about 5000 hands the last 2 weeks. No complaints as all were DDB progressive hands.
2-4 with kicker happens every 6K hands. 4 Aces with kicker happens every 15K hands. You are still not playing enough to see them.
With all due respects, all I was pointing out was an anomaly., 6 times getting 4 fours in about 5,000 hands. I don't count the number of hands I play and, except for recent and unusual occurrences over time, no idea how many premium hands I have gotten. I am at the casino to have a could time, not to collect data to write a thesis. However, looking at the points I have accumulated since the casinos reopened in June, I know how many hands I have played cumulatively in that time-span since I have only played at one casino where I get a point for every dollar coin-in. Also, I have an idea how many points I have gotten recently by glancing at the points displayed on the machine.

Just looked at my point count which sits at 30,119. Dividing $1.25 into that figure (I only play single hand max 5 coin per hand), it comes to 24,095 hands played (somehow I got credited for an odd amount of 39 cents when I first began playing in June). Besides numerous 4 of a kinds, I have had 2-4 with kickers twice and AWAK twice. Got 4 aces as well once or twice. I don't remember the last time I had a RF, only that it was well before my last trip with my late wife to Vegas in 2017. No idea how many hands I have played since the last RF though I am sure the number is way over 40,000.

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Post by FAA »

I might as well give it a shot short coining on a dollar machine and see what happens.
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You finally came around to my method! I of course simply lack the funds to play max coin dollar, but still want to pursue a hand pay. I crank it to five in and out.

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Post by olds442jetaway »

My gut feeling is not all of these short coin Royals were redraws, but the frequency of short coin Royals percentage wise seems much higher than playing full coin. I am not the only player to have noticed this, but I have onky seen the proof from one source. I am just going to try it and see. What happens.

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tech58 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:49 am
Gaming control commission?
I am pretty sure Old's plays at Indian casino. LOL with that.
In AZ the Arizona Department of Gaming (ADG) has oversight authority over Native American Casinos under the State Compact. Here is a synopsis from the commission's homepage: "All Class III casinos are regulated by both the Tribal Gaming Authority of the tribe that owns the casino and by ADG in accordance with the Arizona Tribal-State Gaming Compact (Compact). The Compact specifies detailed procedures for casino operations. All Class III casinos are required to complete an extensive checklist, and must receive certification from ADG before opening for business. These casinos are subject to both random inspections and annual compliance and financial audits by ADG to ensure compliance with the Compact."

Concerning Machine Compliance:

"ADG inspects gaming devices and related components, electronic monitoring systems, and casino records to ensure proper operation and compliance with the Tribal-State Gaming Compact (Compact). All gaming hardware and software, kiosks, and electronic monitoring systems are tested and certified by an independent testing lab before the devices are authorized for shipment to Arizona. This independent lab testing and certification process verifies that games work as the manufacturer intends and meet Arizona’s strict technical standards.

Prior to a gaming device being placed into service in Arizona, ADG tests and verifies the hardware, software, and configurations to support the certification issued by the independent testing lab. After the machines are in play, ADG randomly inspects gaming devices on a prescribed basis to ensure their continued compliance with the Compact.

ADG’s Machine Compliance technicians strive to be experts in their field and regularly provide training, insight, and expertise to tribal gaming regulators, operators, manufacturers, independent testing labs, and consumers."

I assume similar State Gaming Commission authority exists regarding Native American Casino operations in Connecticut"

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Olds:

I apologize for somewhat diverting your post in another direction.

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Post by tech58 »

OtaBill You have gave an excellent description of a very good deal in AZ.
I do not know about CT. but here in MI. we have no such agreement. The state here violated the original compact by opening regular casinos in Detroit.
Now i have not been able to locate any org. than checks Indian casinos in such a manner as AZ. or NJ. let alone NV. with there regular checks.
Curious about CT. maybe Old's knows.
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Post by Player422738 »

“I have had 3 instances of over 600,000 hands playing the correct way and hit 0 Royals”

The odds of playing 100k no royal is 8.2%; 200k is 0.67%, 600k is 0.

Together with the auto lock on royal on the draw happening on betting less than 5 credits, obviously the machine is rigged. You should sue the casino.

And I am wondering if VidoePoker.com or IGT implemented the rigged features for the casino, sue them too if they did.

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hophoofer wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:31 am
You should report it to gaming control board. Auto lock on redraw is a malfunction.

The odds to get a royal on redrawing all 5 cards is a bit hard to calculate. But it should be at least 1 in 383K hands assuming no royal cards are discarded on 52-card deck. If any royal card is discarded, the odds will be even smaller. That being said, for every 383K hands that you have to discard everything, you will get a royal on the draw.

So hitting 4 of that hands in 24 hours (playing about 5k hands I assume) is basically impossible if cards are drawn randomly.
So if autolock on a redraw is a malfunction and a malfunction voids all plays and pays, then what???

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tech58 wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:46 pm
OtaBill You have gave an excellent description of a very good deal in AZ.
I do not know about CT. but here in MI. we have no such agreement. The state here violated the original compact by opening regular casinos in Detroit.
I politely disagree.

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