well my casino did it

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Re: well my casino did it

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I will see if I can do a quick math rough out on that deal to see if it was worthwhile. Say 600 hands per hour or 1200 hands for two hours and to keep it simple a buck a hand. In round numbers you should hit 3 quads on job in that time frame. So if it paid double, an extra 75 bucks. Back in a moment with the rest. 13 full houses x 7 bucks is another 91 bucks extra payout. Forget the straight flush calculation. So rare for what it pays, and finally the Royal. Long term you would hit about 3 percent of a Royal in that timeframe. Again keeping it simple, 3 percent of a 800 buck hit is another 24 bucks.
So in total long term in again round numbers, an extra 190 bucks for playing those 2 hours. Now the cost........13 full houses at 2 bucks the difference in 9/6 and 7/5 equals a cost of 26 bucks. Another 13 flushes at a cost of one buck each penalty or 13 bucks So the total extra cost to play the inferior paytable was about 39 bucks.
Subtract from 190 bucks that 39 bucks and that was a hellovan extra return. 151 bucks free long term. Playing 1.25 a hand would pay even more extra. I used a buck a hand to make it easier to see.

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“ My favorite was a bar that gave double payouts on anything above a flush, so FH, 4OAK,SF and Royals paid double. That is a great game but the flip of it was it was 7-5 JOB , only from 6AM-8AM weekdays and far from my house.”

This game pays 113%. Holding suited AT is a no brainer.

Are you sure 2 pair pays double wager? If it pays single wager, game pays 100%.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:30 pm
I will see if I can do a quick math rough out on that deal to see if it was worthwhile. Say 600 hands per hour or 1200 hands for two hours and to keep it simple a buck a hand. In round numbers you should hit 3 quads on job in that time frame. So if it paid double, an extra 75 bucks. Back in a moment with the rest. 13 full houses x 7 bucks is another 91 bucks extra payout. Forget the straight flush calculation. So rare for what it pays, and finally the Royal. Long term you would hit about 3 percent of a Royal in that timeframe. Again keeping it simple, 3 percent of a 800 buck hit is another 24 bucks.
So in total long term in again round numbers, an extra 190 bucks for playing those 2 hours. Now the cost........13 full houses at 2 bucks the difference in 9/6 and 7/5 equals a cost of 26 bucks. Another 13 flushes at a cost of one buck each penalty or 13 bucks So the total extra cost to play the inferior paytable was about 39 bucks.
Subtract from 190 bucks that 39 bucks and that was a hellovan extra return. 151 bucks free long term. Playing 1.25 a hand would pay even more extra. I used a buck a hand to make it easier to see.
If it were only that simple. Where your math falls apart is in the number of hands played. What you missed was each double pay is a handpay and how long that takes is directly related to how much you tip the bartender. It worked out to about eighty dollars for about three hours of time,but the hours were bad and the clientele was off. I never did get the double Royal payout, but I scored $50 from a guy who hit one for walking him out to his car.

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Still, without a Royal hit, a nice take every day could be had. Most likely the bartender would get a ten or 20 even without the royal if the quads were hitting as they should. One should be able to walk out with a hundred bucks even after the tips and no royal. Most times in 2 hours, the royal would not be hit. Unless there was a lot of bs talking at the bar, I could easily play 600 hands per hour. Pre covid, I would play at the non smoking bar due to the best paytables. I would make sure I wasnt next to a gabber. We had our own core of quiet players abd would tip as we should. The bartenders knew me and knew I was always doing math in my head so not to bs much. There were plenty of other gabby patrons at the other end of the bar with the crappy paytables. Unfortunately, that bar is still closed as is the entire poker room due to covid. By the way, its not the math that fell apart, it is the potential atmosphere and other factors possibly affecting play. Ancient history now anyway. Too bad we don’t have that or similar here.

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I reread your post if every single double hand pay even for a full house is in fact a hand pay, that would definitely slow the game down and also cost extra tip money as well. Still a nice deal for the early risers and those who only had a five or 10 minute ride to breakfast

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Few in the crowd were early risers.

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:39 am
it was one of those things you would think the casino would never happen to you

they downgraded all 98.91 to 95% even the 8/5 jacks now all 6/5 and i never really played much tdb was 9/5 now 7/5

Finally got the chance today to check out Windcreek. They must have changed their paytables again! I saw a lot of 9/6 & 9/5 TDB, 9/5 DDB, etc. I had pumped a few hundred into the $1 9/6 TDB and ended up playing 5/10/25c Triple Play 9/5 TDB. It was a Hot Roll game, but I wasn't playing hot roll. Started out playing 3 hands 10c, got four 5s, went to 25c single got another 4oak, went to 3 hands and caught 4 Aces.

My buddy said yeah, but you didn't play Hot roll. So I said what the hell, started playing and got the dice a few times (more often than every 6th hand, which was "average". Think I got a 6X, 5X, 3X... I was then dealt 32X22. I drew and got dice on the draw- 10X. Got the last 2 on the third hand for 20000 credits = $5050. Wish I could post a pic but I don't have photobucket.

But I want to personally thank stevel96a1!! I won't play there much (didn't sign up for a card and was there to drive a friend up), but wanted to let others know there are semi-sucky paytables to be had. AFAIK the 9/6 TDB (98.15) was the best they had, which agrees with vpfree2.

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Great going. It is pretty easy to post photos here and I am a dinosaur. I have posted directions a few times, but forget which threads. When you finish typing your post, just hit preview, click on attachments and go from there. It will pick them up from the photos on your phone. You just have to select which one

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Fifth Futile Quad
Fifth Futile Quad
Testing checks out.

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Sounds easy, but I have no attachment icon. I have "insert image" and "insert url"

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