6/5 jacks vs video blackjack 97%

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Re: 6/5 jacks vs video blackjack 97%

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FAA wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:55 pm
I hit up the slot club for a whopping $0.89 on my last trip.
I described video poker as minimally demanding (compared to blackjack), but that's for the actual game play. The difficult part is maximizing slot club benefits. Table players have less opportunity because they're usually comped less generously, and some bj players withhold their card entirely, especially if they frequently change tables to escape negative counts.

Caesars Rewards is one of the most complex slot clubs. It requires some effort. Whether it's worth the effort is an individual decision. As a small example, it's probably a good idea to log in to the app every day and accept any offers -- usually free drawing entries.

I play all over southern Nevada, so I have to do a lot of research to try to detect the best opportunities.

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I’m okay with it. Just keep the FP games in the buildings.

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dinghy wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:57 pm
FAA wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:30 pm
VP has the smallest house edge of them all. Sticking with what the math suggests bests recreation.
I rarely play table games anymore. Blackjack can be beaten, but I find it stressful. Same for live poker.

I consider video poker to be only minimally demanding because you're allowed to look at a strategy chart as often as you want, and there's no time limit to play a hand. It's nevertheless a fast enough game that you can rack up meaningful slot club rewards for small individual wager amounts.
have you tried card counting in atlantic city? i was thinking about trying it, ya know what the heck but then i realized if i lose a thousand dollars and the casino starts putting the cut card in middle of the shoe then its back to square one i mean it looks very obvious when i up my bet playing on my phone app, can only imagine what happens when dealer screams black plays! and research on web shows players in ac who count get deterred (and my friends and family say if your remotely succesful they'll catch ya) and then you read other forums how people made their bread n butter countin the tables in early mid 2000s before going to the vegas. blackjack and video poker only 2 games i had good luck with and when i mean by that is i was able to double my bankroll more times than not over course of time. with all my testing and trials at home it doesn't cost a thing to try. ever since they took away the promotion from the store at my casino and they removed buses from ny to pa its more of a bad deal off the top and to add insult to inury it went from 97% dw to 94.86 dw i was there 2 days ago and people were gladly playing the older retired folks they must be natives, for almost a year they had 98.98 DW game for 1$ only but then removed it and 2 months they had a good promotion deal online where you purchase free play and redeem at the casino but removed alas, my last 3 outtings been losers so kinda tired of losing and not getting anything in return in windcreek bethlehem however ac did help me out with their free play coupled w/ my wife card it was worth the hit n run and now my wife sees the potential of living in vegas and signing up for all the player cards and cycle through them x2

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BJ and VP only 2 games i had good luck with, to double my bankroll more times than not over time
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I don't doubt it. Get on some kind of roll during the session and get the hell out.

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:46 pm
have you tried card counting in atlantic city?
No, I live near the west coast. I don't know much about current bj conditions. AC casinos are prohibited from barring card counters, but I assume they can easily deter players as you mentioned.

I thought Pennsylvania was one of the best states currently because the casinos are forced to offer good rules. Something similar happened when AC gambling was legalized and the casinos were forced to allow early surrender.

Vegas does not have a reputation for good bj afaik. My impression is the best games are in isolated areas with less competent pits, and to get a comfortable edge you probably need additional techniques beyond basic counting.

I don't see any easy way to beat the game. You have to avoid 6:5 payouts and continuous shufflers. Usually the dealer hits soft 17 unless you play high-limit. Surveillance has improved. I only play if I can find good promos. Later this month one of the Summerlin casinos is running a "prize pick" day. Each blackjack ($25 minimum bet) earns a free envelope containing a promo chip award. Sounds good, but the prize distribution is unknown.
now my wife sees the potential of living in vegas and signing up for all the player cards and cycle through them x2
Are you talking about signup bonuses? There's not much value that I'm aware of. Vegas is very bad currently for promotions. The coupon books have also scaled back. American Casino Guide is not publishing this year.

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dinghy wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:02 pm
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:46 pm
have you tried card counting in atlantic city?
No, I live near the west coast. I don't know much about current bj conditions. AC casinos are prohibited from barring card counters, but I assume they can easily deter players as you mentioned.

I thought Pennsylvania was one of the best states currently because the casinos are forced to offer good rules. Something similar happened when AC gambling was legalized and the casinos were forced to allow early surrender.

Vegas does not have a reputation for good bj afaik. My impression is the best games are in isolated areas with less competent pits, and to get a comfortable edge you probably need additional techniques beyond basic counting.

I don't see any easy way to beat the game. You have to avoid 6:5 payouts and continuous shufflers. Usually the dealer hits soft 17 unless you play high-limit. Surveillance has improved. I only play if I can find good promos. Later this month one of the Summerlin casinos is running a "prize pick" day. Each blackjack ($25 minimum bet) earns a free envelope containing a promo chip award. Sounds good, but the prize distribution is unknown.
now my wife sees the potential of living in vegas and signing up for all the player cards and cycle through them x2
Are you talking about signup bonuses? There's not much value that I'm aware of. Vegas is very bad currently for promotions. The coupon books have also scaled back. American Casino Guide is not publishing this year.
i meant everything that comes with it with the players card, i played at tuscany and sams town and me and my wife get bombarded with 40$ fp and 40$ dining offers and hotel from both casinos and we played only quarters machines with 200$ bankroll this was back in august i think but yea i can easily see signing up and cycling through and reaping the benefits off the strip and on the strip cashback/freeplays.

looking back to my previous trip i was at 180ish fp cashed out and 400$w/ me and 3.5 hr later only had 200$ left over i couldn't believe i lost 380$ cash in 3.5hr of playing 6/5 jacks and 94.86 DW game, it just gobbled the money up never got ahead, i don't mind losing but i was disgusted at the speed of rate of -100$ an hour they were taking fro me and my store didn't open up so i can't purchase and redeem, im refusing to go back until their promotion bus runs or store opens up maybe the magic is gone.

in the mean time im looking at caesars jacks or better 9/6 and man my 100$ bankroll seems unstoppable on the phone app. with the mailers me and my wife are getting and were able to convert tier points to fp 1500 pts is like 8$ which isn't bad they also have a jokers game of 99.91 but i dont want to keep getting hit w/ tax forms but the game performs outstanding results on winpoker 6 if played correctly, my goal when i went to windcreek bethlehem was to play until the store opened up and rebuy my loss back doesn't seem its going to happen w/ 1 trip losing nearly 400$ in unless then 4hr was like getting hit by a wall of bricks i dont want to do it again heh would have been nice tho had i caught the 4 ducks or royal right away.

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https://imgur.com/a/MyZ9QDx
now i wish i had trashed the dueces went home a loser
and that RF was on the redraw back before they changed the pay table.

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:36 pm
i meant everything that comes with it with the players card, i played at tuscany and sams town and me and my wife get bombarded with 40$ fp and 40$ dining offers and hotel from both casinos and we played only quarters machines
I have a player's card basically everywhere in Vegas, so I have no recent experience with mailers to new customers. I've never found mailers to be predictable. Some places may send offers worth 2 or 3% of the coin-in you gave them while others may send nothing.
in the mean time im looking at caesars jacks or better 9/6 and man my 100$ bankroll seems unstoppable on the phone app. with the mailers me and my wife are getting and were able to convert tier points to fp 1500 pts is like 8$ which isn't bad they also have a jokers game of 99.91 but i dont want to keep getting hit w/ tax forms but the game performs outstanding results on winpoker 6 if played correctly
Double Joker is one we rarely see in Nevada. If I'm reading correctly, they've boosted a 98.1% game to 99.9% by doubling the base royal and progressing it. Speed of the progressive meter is important, as is point earn rate. The 9/6 Jacks progressive is indicated (vpfree2) at $50 per point, which is not very useful for slot club benefits.

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dinghy wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:43 pm
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:36 pm
i meant everything that comes with it with the players card, i played at tuscany and sams town and me and my wife get bombarded with 40$ fp and 40$ dining offers and hotel from both casinos and we played only quarters machines
I have a player's card basically everywhere in Vegas, so I have no recent experience with mailers to new customers. I've never found mailers to be predictable. Some places may send offers worth 2 or 3% of the coin-in you gave them while others may send nothing.
in the mean time im looking at caesars jacks or better 9/6 and man my 100$ bankroll seems unstoppable on the phone app. with the mailers me and my wife are getting and were able to convert tier points to fp 1500 pts is like 8$ which isn't bad they also have a jokers game of 99.91 but i dont want to keep getting hit w/ tax forms but the game performs outstanding results on winpoker 6 if played correctly
Double Joker is one we rarely see in Nevada. If I'm reading correctly, they've boosted a 98.1% game to 99.9% by doubling the base royal and progressing it. Speed of the progressive meter is important, as is point earn rate. The 9/6 Jacks progressive is indicated (vpfree2) at $50 per point, which is not very useful for slot club benefits.
i saw that too, i guess the joker game would be a better bet?

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 pm
i saw that too, i guess the joker game would be a better bet?
Looks like it.

I should have stated more clearly that the 99.91% is for a $2000 royal at reset. Effective EV will always be higher because the royal will be some amount above reset and you have the value of the meter going up as you play.

Vpfree2 doesn't mention a point countdown, so I assume it's the standard $10 which would be good for earning points (reward credits) and tier credits. Mailers would depend on the underlying theo assigned to the game.

FAA, do you have any opinion on the game? Vpfree2 says the bank of 6 is located in section CI, first floor, Caesars.

Considering volatility, the variance measure is a huge 66.5 at reset, but I think the big royal stretches out the variance disproportionately. Without any royals, the game pays 96.2%. Everything else on the pay table occurs within 3000 hands or less on average. Compare that to a game such as DDB (variance 42) where you have to wait more than 5k hands for the premium 800 or 2000 coin outcomes.

Of course on the Double Joker, every royal is "taxable."

Strategy is a PITA. You need basically three different charts depending on how many jokers are dealt, and they're all weird. With no jokers, you'll be holding suited connectors and three-card flushes. With one or two jokers, you often have to hold some other individual card which could be a middle for straight value or a higher card for royal value.

And if the progressive gets high, you may need to adjust from the basic strategy if you want to fully capitalize.

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