6/5 jacks vs video blackjack 97%

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6/5 jacks vs video blackjack 97%

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zon2K1OU_Qs this is a 2 part question.
as you all know my home base casino locked all vp to highest 96% which is 6/5 however i believe they offer video blackjack which is a whopin 97% return are the comps equal to 97 poker machine to bj machine?

and 2nd question is they have a let it ride feature starting with 1$ bet winning 10 hands in a row , i read in a bj book win 10 hands in a row occurs every 4,000 hands which would yield half the royal on 1$ betting.

is winning 10 in a row 1/4000?

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:23 am
is winning 10 in a row 1/4000?
2 to the 10th power is 1024. But that would be for a 50/50 probability such as the Double Up on some video poker machines.

Your blackjack scenario is more difficult to achieve because odds of winning a hand are below 50%. I think the calculation would depend on number of decks and other rules. I'm not sure I understand the "let it ride" feature, but I imagine it could become financially awkward if you have a huge bet and find yourself needing to split and/or double.

Btw, some variants of IGT vbj are above 97.5% iirc. You lose about 2.3% from the even-money bj payouts, but otherwise some of the rules are usually good including single deck and stand on 17.

Slot club value will depend on the casino. It's probably comped the same as video poker, but not always.

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dinghy wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:56 pm
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:23 am
is winning 10 in a row 1/4000?
2 to the 10th power is 1024. But that would be for a 50/50 probability such as the Double Up on some video poker machines.

Your blackjack scenario is more difficult to achieve because odds of winning a hand are below 50%. I think the calculation would depend on number of decks and other rules. I'm not sure I understand the "let it ride" feature, but I imagine it could become financially awkward if you have a huge bet and find yourself needing to split and/or double.

Btw, some variants of IGT vbj are above 97.5% iirc. You lose about 2.3% from the even-money bj payouts, but otherwise some of the rules are usually good including single deck and stand on 17.

Slot club value will depend on the casino. It's probably comped the same as video poker, but not always.
i been playing around with betting systems, and a system like a 1-2-4-8 and then 10 which is 5wins can yield sometimes 100 unit winner, which is junk compared to video poker, and i read a post on youtube where someone said they won 200$ish from betting 7$ so can win around 30 units with a modest betting progression however let it ride seems to be the dominated system

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That is a good question on the treatment of comps on video blackjack compared with vp. I will see if I can find out at my casino. One way I could find out for sure would cost me money, so I will try the research department with casino management first.
At Mohegan Sun, you need to cycle roughly 500 bucks on vp to earn one spendable point. 99 percent games earn 0 spendable points. I would need my starting point balancewhich they do compute out to 2 decimal places. I would have to play a buck at a time to make it easy and see how many bucks I would need to play to advance exactly one point. I would have to do the same on BJ and a regular slot. Could cost several hundred bucks in a bad cycle. Earning one point you can spend as cash every 500 bucks is not worth giving up a 99 percent paytable for. It is only 1/5 th of one percent.

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:31 pm
i read a post on youtube where someone said they won 200$ish from betting 7$ so can win around 30 units with a modest betting progression however let it ride seems to be the dominated system
I'm assuming the let it ride button launches the next hand at double the previous bet. You can accomplish the same by manually incrementing your bet, except you can't manually exceed the maximum which is 40 coins in the linked video and could be as low as 5 or 10.

If you're able to find a video poker machine with the "double up" button enabled, you can martingale a winning hand without any further house edge, although you (typically) don't earn comps on the double ups.
olds442jetaway wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:34 pm
That is a good question on the treatment of comps on video blackjack compared with vp.
I can give a Vegas example. At Boyd B Connected properties, a point requires either $1 coin-in slots or $2 video poker. A tier credit requires either $5 slots or $10+ video poker.

I found a vbj game that earned at a mixed rate. Points were slot rate, tiers were vp. Or vice versa, I don't recall exactly. Then you'd have to try to determine how they assess the game for mail offers or comps from a host. Internally they probably assign a theoretical hold % to each game, but that's usually a secret.

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dinghy wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:40 am
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:31 pm
i read a post on youtube where someone said they won 200$ish from betting 7$ so can win around 30 units with a modest betting progression however let it ride seems to be the dominated system
I'm assuming the let it ride button launches the next hand at double the previous bet. You can accomplish the same by manually incrementing your bet, except you can't manually exceed the maximum which is 40 coins in the linked video and could be as low as 5 or 10.

If you're able to find a video poker machine with the "double up" button enabled, you can martingale a winning hand without any further house edge, although you (typically) don't earn comps on the double ups.
olds442jetaway wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:34 pm
That is a good question on the treatment of comps on video blackjack compared with vp.
I can give a Vegas example. At Boyd B Connected properties, a point requires either $1 coin-in slots or $2 video poker. A tier credit requires either $5 slots or $10+ video poker.

I found a vbj game that earned at a mixed rate. Points were slot rate, tiers were vp. Or vice versa, I don't recall exactly. Then you'd have to try to determine how they assess the game for mail offers or comps from a host. Internally they probably assign a theoretical hold % to each game, but that's usually a secret.
Thank you for your reply, my bankroll gets way more coin in on 97% igt vbj than igt vp6/5poker,
with that said, using many different betting systems allow me to close a 100 unit roll while other systems allow me to last longer but never peak above 30ish units. i plan on going back to the casinos next month and report if its a 2 -1 bj or 3-2 in any event having fun with november 31st app with bj game.

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:32 am
i plan on going back to the casinos next month and report if its a 2 -1 bj or 3-2 in any event having fun with november 31st app with bj game.
Good luck if you play. Usually the bj pay will be shown as "2 for 1" -- which is even-money. A 3-2 pay would be shown as "5 for 2". It's very rare on IGT machines.

It is sometimes possible to find 3-2 bj on electronic table game units with video virtual dealers, but usually the slot club comp rate is very low or zero.

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stevel96a1 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:32 am
dinghy wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:40 am
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:31 pm
i read a post on youtube where someone said they won 200$ish from betting 7$ so can win around 30 units with a modest betting progression however let it ride seems to be the dominated system
I'm assuming the let it ride button launches the next hand at double the previous bet. You can accomplish the same by manually incrementing your bet, except you can't manually exceed the maximum which is 40 coins in the linked video and could be as low as 5 or 10.

If you're able to find a video poker machine with the "double up" button enabled, you can martingale a winning hand without any further house edge, although you (typically) don't earn comps on the double ups.
olds442jetaway wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:34 pm
That is a good question on the treatment of comps on video blackjack compared with vp.
I can give a Vegas example. At Boyd B Connected properties, a point requires either $1 coin-in slots or $2 video poker. A tier credit requires either $5 slots or $10+ video poker.

I found a vbj game that earned at a mixed rate. Points were slot rate, tiers were vp. Or vice versa, I don't recall exactly. Then you'd have to try to determine how they assess the game for mail offers or comps from a host. Internally they probably assign a theoretical hold % to each game, but that's usually a secret.
Thank you for your reply, my bankroll gets way more coin in on 97% igt vbj than igt vp6/5poker,
with that said, using many different betting systems allow me to close a 100 unit roll while other systems allow me to last longer but never peak above 30ish units. i plan on going back to the casinos next month and report if its a 2 -1 bj or 3-2 in any event having fun with november 31st app with bj game.
The bj game has much lower variance.

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Jstark wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:39 am
stevel96a1 wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:32 am
dinghy wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:40 am
stevel96a1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:31 pm
i read a post on youtube where someone said they won 200$ish from betting 7$ so can win around 30 units with a modest betting progression however let it ride seems to be the dominated system
I'm assuming the let it ride button launches the next hand at double the previous bet. You can accomplish the same by manually incrementing your bet, except you can't manually exceed the maximum which is 40 coins in the linked video and could be as low as 5 or 10.

If you're able to find a video poker machine with the "double up" button enabled, you can martingale a winning hand without any further house edge, although you (typically) don't earn comps on the double ups.
olds442jetaway wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:34 pm
That is a good question on the treatment of comps on video blackjack compared with vp.
I can give a Vegas example. At Boyd B Connected properties, a point requires either $1 coin-in slots or $2 video poker. A tier credit requires either $5 slots or $10+ video poker.

I found a vbj game that earned at a mixed rate. Points were slot rate, tiers were vp. Or vice versa, I don't recall exactly. Then you'd have to try to determine how they assess the game for mail offers or comps from a host. Internally they probably assign a theoretical hold % to each game, but that's usually a secret.
Thank you for your reply, my bankroll gets way more coin in on 97% igt vbj than igt vp6/5poker,
with that said, using many different betting systems allow me to close a 100 unit roll while other systems allow me to last longer but never peak above 30ish units. i plan on going back to the casinos next month and report if its a 2 -1 bj or 3-2 in any event having fun with november 31st app with bj game.
The bj game has much lower variance.
thats what im thinking, im playing around on the app and i can run through 100$ bankroll betting 1$ and at the end it reads alot more money "played" then i can achieve with 94%dw or 6/5 jacks with a 100$ roll, just two problems, are the comps the same? and most im lookin forward to is coming home a 30 unit winner aka 30$

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i found out the bj game on the poker machine is bad.
no spliting
no double down
bj pays 1:1
i think this game is worst than roulette

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