Playing with some numbers.

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
olds442jetaway
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Playing with some numbers.

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I have been looking at return percentages on the Wizard site for DDB which I rarely play and now I know why. When I get some time, I will examine another similar scenario for JOB and Airport Deuces.
These are just round numbers but very close. If one plays 5 quarters on DDB and 600 hands per hour that would be $750 coin in every hour. I wanted to see what an approximate hourly loss will be on various games I play without the hands I rely on to stay anywhere near even.
Between the royal flush and the various kinds of quads on 9/6 DDB, about 20% of coin is lost for every hour of play at the above rate when quads or Royals don’t hit. It translates to $150 loss per hour assuming all of the other hands come in on or about on schedule.
Now I can see why a session of five or six hours of play in double double bonus Without quads or a royal can decimate an average bankroll to the tune of 750 to 900 bucks. Yikes. And believe it or not at least for me I find sessions of five or six hours without any quads whatsoever fairly common on Jack’s or better or double double bonus.

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If I went 5 to 6 hours without a 4 of a kind I would just quit playing, that might have happened to me once but if it was like your finding why play? Just to say there are banks of machine I will not play for lack of quads on them, are you moving away from these dead machines?

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Trying. Can’t find a consistent pattern

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Quads are not really an issue for me. I’m filling up my phone storage/thread with them. But all these solid on schedule hits do is keep me solvent as I flush hours of travel. No wonder players eventually gravitate away from JOB.

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Still better than huge losses.

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I am just the typical aggravated grinder awaiting the RF when on JOB. Boring way to spend a trip, and stressful on dollar if even ten minutes late on a quad. That's sixty more hands of benefiting the casino. It's far better to hammer BP hoping to catch a premium to make the day worthwhile. Your games are great when they hit big, but the EV shortfall is too rich for my blood even if I knew the strategy.

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I still play JOB, but overall have lost more on it than any other game even 97 percent games. Without Royals or on time quads, your goose is cooked on Job. Same holds true for regular deuces wild except you need Royals or quad deuces to weather the storm. DDB can be quite rewarding if one hits the big hands more frequently than average even with a bad pay table, but without the quads or Royals early on and or close together, your cash will disappear faster than motorists scoop it up from a bag that fell off of the back of an armored car. Similar scenario as DDB with Joker Kings. The variance most times will leave you searching for the closest ATM or send you packing to your room with orders to stay there until morning.

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Yes. I’m absolutely desperate as a loon for on time quads to get me through a JOB session even Steven. It has to be Swiss watch accuracy. On BP or BPD, I have more breathing room. A premium quad will cover the cost of tardiness and I am none the worse for wear.

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I used to play 8/5 BP all the time at Mohegan, but they yanked it over 10 years ago. I have no idea why as they left quarter 99.54 JOB intact with a half point higher Return Table.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:41 pm
I used to play 8/5 BP all the time at Mohegan, but they yanked it over 10 years ago. I have no idea why as they left quarter 99.54 JOB intact with a half point higher Return Table.
Probably because bonus poker isn't very profitable for them. They want the extra profit from a few large common player mistakes on the double bonus pokers. And then consider many players will be satisfied from the slightly kicked up quads on Bonus and play that instead of the double bonus variants. Bonus being similar to jacks or better, very little to profit from on player mistakes unless they're very unpracticed players. And then them keeping the 9/6 JOB, JOB players are a whole different breed. They are VERY fussy about being shortchanged on flush and full house (me somewhat included), therefore they probably keep it to keep them happy since they won't move to the double bonus pokers anyways. At least this is my guess, the economics on their end can be complicated.

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