never win at vp why??

[mikki111]

Play in cny at turning stone properties. never even come close to having a good day. always play dollar bonus at 7/5 or job at 8/5. i dont get it. i played 3 hours today my speed is about 700 hands per hour. i lost $720 which is my typical day. over 2000 hands and on four of kind jacks. the deals are garbage, i play on computer over 99%., not perfect but not 7 or 8 percent loss. is everyone lying about pkaying for hours with little loss?

[dinghy]

always play dollar bonus at 7/5 or job at 8/5.

At that speed, you're betting $10,500 per session against a 2.5% house edge approximately. The very rare royal flush is worth about 2%, so a typical session loss should be 4.5% or nearly $500 imo.

You're not drastically far off from that. When other players post their experiences on message boards, there's a natural bias toward reporting the jackpots and other good aspects.

I don't want to answer a question you didn't ask, but it may be worthwhile to review your game and bet selection to possibly find something more suitable to your objectives.

[olds442jetaway]

I have to agree with what Dinghy said. I usually try and report both the “ good, bad, and ugly “. Even on an off night on JOB, BP, or DDB where quads are scarce, no Royal, and maybe full houses running behind too, you can easily leave 25 percent of coin in at the casino. unfortunately, sessions like that can be all too common sometimes. Been there, done that. . As to hitting a Royal, playing 2,000 hands a session, will long term give you one only about every 20 sessions. It wouldn’t be unheard of either to go 200 sessions without a Royal. I have gone over 600,000 hands twice in the last 10-15 years without a Royal. My sessions usually run 6,000 hands. 600/hr x 10 hours = 6,000. Divide that into 600,000 and you get no Royals for 100 sessions twice. I almost quit VP entirely after that. Played 2,3,5, cent vp quite a while though after.

[FAA]

You need an hourly premium quad to approach a nominal loss trip, and you are nowhere close there. TP certainly lives down to its name. Patron BR is also flushed. Turn down Turning Stone. I’d stone machines if I was a patron. Terrible tables, catastrophic casino. 280 miles from Olds’ stomping grounds, 350 miles from mine. Either is a vast improvement from current living hell. Time for a road trip. Avoid Boston, also a 280 mile drive, at all costs. I heard from a certain Chicagoan that’s a TP clone.

[olds442jetaway]

Unfortunately, I haven’t heard anything good about Boston or MGM Springfield. Haven’t been to Foxwoods in Ct in 5 years and haven’t heard much good or bad on it lately. Guess I will just jog in place at Mohegan Sun, drifting back to minimum play levels.

[FAA]

That would be prudent. The grass isn’t any greener elsewhere. It is our fate to tend to our own garden as best we can. Of course you literally do this already. If you wear out New Balance, there’s always Shoe Goo.

[TripleTriple]

always play dollar bonus at 7/5 or job at 8/5. i dont get it.

Reread the first sentence. Inferior returns. Are you playing with minimal mistakes?
Find better paytables. Practice. More. Persevere.

Good luck.

[FAA]

Without the table, we're just not able. Online reading reveals a ton of TP dissatisfaction. Monopolistic business practices will always hold sway in such a venue. I guess it's like cruise gambling. Cruising for a bruising in both cases.

[mikki111]

i see people mentioning you're going to lose "unless you're a pro". a "pro" can't do better than perfect play. The hands i'm dealt are atrocious. i'm consistently getting streaks of 30 40 hands in a row with maybe a one coin win.i have never had a winning session.
at 99% i'm not missing quality hands

if they can mess with the deals in tournaments why not regular play? i switched from slots because of the better hold but for me it's just as bad

[wildman49]

i see people mentioning you're going to lose "unless you're a pro". a "pro" can't do better than perfect play. The hands i'm dealt are atrocious. i'm consistently getting streaks of 30 40 hands in a row with maybe a one coin win.i have never had a winning session.
at 99% i'm not missing quality hands

if they can mess with the deals in tournaments why not regular play? i switched from slots because of the better hold but for me it's just as bad

It's hard for newbie players to understand that you can't win playing video poker. The pay tables are totally against you. Your two games you play are 97.3% and 98% that includes the royal flush. Your not going to have a winning session unless you hit the RF playing them two games. You see players post winning photo's and think it's so easy to win.

My wife hit a royal flush this month for $2000, her last royal was 14 months ago. She sees me hitting 1 or even 2 a month and thinks she should be hitting them more. I play more hands in 2 sessions then she plays in a month. I play 40,000 to 60,000 hands a month so 1 or even 2 royals can happen.

Now you say why bother playing VP if you can't beat the game? You can use VP to fill in the 2% you are losing to the casino. All the real money is in Free play and Promotions. Going into detail on this would take hours, it can be and is being done by many players every year making a profit by advantage play.

The last part about messing with deals, you seem to think there is something a miss with the machines your playing. Try to find the older machines to play. I am not a fan of the new machines.