Nightmare Strategy!

[jm002546]

[QUOTE=shadowman][QUOTE=backsider] Theres only one way to keep from losing and thats by not playing. We all lose more than we win and dont get confused by people who say they dont. one coin, two coins, five coins, you just never know..


So, you are claiming Frank Kneeland is being dishonest. It will be interesting to see Frank's response.[/QUOTE]
 Its a general statement. Your trying to make it personal with Frank for who knows why and it isnt. Stop trying to make trouble when nobody else sees the need to do that here, so why be like that. No surprise why you arent liked on lva. [/QUOTE]He's well liked on VP.com.  What is lva?  You think HE is the one making trouble?  I believe it is you who have backsided Frank

[Frank Kneeland]

[QUOTE=shadowman][QUOTE=backsider] Theres only one way to keep from losing and thats by not playing. We all lose more than we win and dont get confused by people who say they dont. one coin, two coins, five coins, you just never know..


So, you are claiming Frank Kneeland is being dishonest. It will be interesting to see Frank's response.[/QUOTE]
 Its a general statement. Your trying to make it personal with Frank for who knows why and it isnt. Stop trying to make trouble when nobody else sees the need to do that here, so why be like that. No surprise why you arent liked on lva. [/QUOTE]We are all the products of our own life experience. I have no doubt that Backsider was speaking from the heart and sharing his own "feelings" on the matter, formed from his personal experience.Since my life as a professional gambler would be nearly impossible to duplicate and his story is far more representational of the general public and what they can expect from gambling; if faced with the dilemma of having to believe one of us...I recommend you listen to him.  "Theres only one way to keep from losing and that's by not playing."Has this been true for me? Well, no. I was also paid salary for the first 4 years I played in casinos. Good luck finding a similar job.A statement like the one backsider made can be "true" without having to be totally accurate mathematically.When I was in charge of the team training program we had a 20/80 pass/fail rate and discovered that only about 1 in 5 had what it took to reach professional VP level.Therefore, in my opinion (formed from personal experience) backsider's comment would be true for the vast majority of people and false for the 20% remainder.Things can be both true and false at the same time depending on who's doing the talking and who's doing the listening. ~Hello. I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien encounters is
true. And by true, I mean false. It's all lies. But they're entertaining
lies. And in the end, isn't that the real truth? The answer is: No. 
~ The Simpsons: Springfield Files~FK

[FloridaPhil]

I can't understand why every post on this forum is accompanied by long personal exchanges and dissertations about Frank and the rest of you guys.  I though this Forum was about Video Poker?

[backsider]

I can't understand why every post on this forum is accompanied by long personal exchanges and dissertations about Frank and the rest of you guys.  I though this Forum was about Video Poker?

[Frank Kneeland]

I can't understand why every post on this forum is accompanied by long personal exchanges and dissertations about Frank and the rest of you guys.  I though this Forum was about Video Poker? You know that's what I thought at first as well. I have since learned that video poker forums are more for and about people that play video poker and less about the game itself.They are a place to: Share opinions, no one cares about.Voice arguments, no one listens to.Engage in discussions that chill the brain & numb the mind, but occasionally warm the heart, if one has an open heat able to love all the diversity that humanity has to offer.In the short run advice on VP specifically might be helpful to a few. But it ignores the fact that for many people their trouble understanding and playing video poker is but a symptom of far greater issues for which border discussions and deeper subjects are actually a better fix.Taking an aspirin might cure a headache, but not banging your head against a wall in the first place might be a better long term solution. Any discussion of a game has to take into account the people that play it.As to why things seem to get off topic so often. Hmm.. because video poker requires people to play it and talk about it, and people will always be people. Without the human element  and the stories by and about the players, all we'd have to talk about is some strange boxes with funny lights.~FKP.S. Let's all talk about FloridaPhil now. Do you really live in Florida? I used to live in Palm Beach.

[jim18]

Hello FloridaPhilI am going to try to write a response to several of your posts.  And in the process hope that others do not turn to negative comments.Understanding how you tried to approach the VP game comes naturally to me.  I have done the same thing you did and done it more than once.  I played less than max coins on a 25 cent machine, a dollar machine and a five dollar machine.  In each of these cases I hit a RF.  Finally, I too have learned my lesson and do not play less than max coins.However, the reason for my decision may be controversial.  I only did this as I did not want to go through the feeling associated with hitting a RF with less than max coins played ever again.  Saying this differently, with the exception of a RF, I see no disadvantage to playing less than max coins and getting a good return from it.  The reason for playing less than max coins was to stretch out my playing time.  And try to get a few good hits that would allow me to increase my bet size to max coins.When you consider that we are playing games with negative expectation, it sort of makes sense that the smaller our wager is, then the less money we will lose.  I think I read somewhere that playing less than max coins on VP reduces the players pay back percentage by two percent.  Yes, this seems to be a large penalty. Conversely, the state income tax that I am subject to requires me to pay a state income tax of more than three percent.  While predicament is the worse, I will leave to your imagination.You might think that changing to a lower denomination would be a good solution.  But, at the casino I go to, when you play for less than dollars you are penalized two or three percent on the payback table.On this web site I have read comments from posters that move from machine to machine when they hit four of a kind.  Likewise I have read the comments of those that think this behavior does nothing positive.  In my opinion the persons that move are taking a more active roll in controlling their gaming experience.  If moving helps the player feel more confident or comfortable, then that player has done the right thing.  This is not, or should not be reduced to statistical probability.  It is all about having the maximum amount of fun, with the least damage to your bankroll.I have come up with a betting strategy that does nothing to change the odds of the game, but I feel better for using it, as it puts me into control of how I bet.  If you would like me to post about this non-mathematically sound system, let me know.  However, I do not wish to be put into the position of having to defend it, just as the players who move from machine to machine do not want to have to defend their behavior.  I only offer this suggestion as an alternative to giving up VP completely.

[backsider]

Great post Jim and thanx! If anyone has anything negative to say about that then its the remnants of a sour life. If you dont mind I would like to know more about your system.

[FloridaPhil]

Yes, I do live in Florida.  I started playing Video Poker about 10 years ago and I enjoy it most of the time.  I am a person that attempts to excel at everything I do.  Call it a compulsion if you wish, but that's just me. I have been very successful in business and my personal life is what most people would say is "comfortable".   I play Dancer’s Video Poker for Winners for hours with no errors and still am a long term loser.   In Florida, Video Poker is a game where the odds are seriously stacked against you.  I have come to the conclusion that there is no way to win at this game, at least with the odds we have to deal with.  I have never found a hobby or endeavor that I could not feel good about my results.   Video Poker with 95% losing odds is a loser no matter how you stack it.  Anyway, that’s where I am with this project.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=backsider] [QUOTE=shadowman][QUOTE=backsider] Theres only one way to keep from losing and thats by not playing. We all lose more than we win and dont get confused by people who say they dont. one coin, two coins, five coins, you just never know..


So, you are claiming Frank Kneeland is being dishonest. It will be interesting to see Frank's response.[/QUOTE]
 
Its a general statement. Your trying to make it personal with Frank for who knows why and it isnt. Stop trying to make trouble when nobody else sees the need to do that here, so why be like that. No surprise why you arent liked on lva. [/QUOTE]


He's well liked on VP.com.  What is lva?  You think HE is the one making trouble?  I believe it is you who have backsided Frank
[/QUOTE]
lva is "Las Vegas Advisor". Your question got lost in the rhetoric.

[BillyJoe]

Jim, I, too, live in Florida, like Phil. I do not play often at the only local 'wig-wam' casino close to me, since the games have such poor returns. As such, I have to travel to play - Mississippi, Nevada, etc. I do not, therefore, play 5-6 days a week all year, so the total number of hours that I play VP in a casino is probably much less than folks on this site that live closer to a casino. I do not, therefore, believe that the pay tables that I encounter have as big an effect on me (ie less hands played) than others. I choose a city, casino and machine based on (1) the type of game I want to play (2) how well I am treated and comped at that casino and (3) how comfortable I feel playing at that machine's location (crowds, smoking etc).
I have been in a serious VP slump, and would enjoy hearing more about your approach.