Nice Article Of VP Strategy And How It Works!

[billryan]

Am I the only guy here under 70?

I'm sitting in my friends condo, high above the strip, with a half dozen World Class APs gathered for a PPV and you guys are providing a great pre-show.
Red Azz? Really. You folks should take your act on the road.

[Tedlark]

No - 54.

[DaBurglar]

Am I the only guy here under 70?

I'm sitting in my friends condo, high above the strip, with a half dozen World Class APs gathered for a PPV and you guys are providing a great pre-show.
Red Azz? Really. You folks should take your act on the road.Sunday Evening on the weekend of the NCAA Final Four....if you are "gathered for a PPV" on this date it can only be one thing...WRESTLEMANIA!    That certainly adds a dimension to your personality here, at any rate.....Billyryan- WWE fan!

[billryan]

Lifelong wrestling fan, and current WWE stockholder.
Was a huge ECW fan as well as the WCW. These days, I tape RAW and usually FF through much of it. I've let my WWE Network lapse as I don't have much free time just now.
I was pleasantly surprised when I got the invite. I've been doing a little scouting for them and some simple stuff but this was a step forward. It was fun watching big time gamblers betting which way a predetermined contest would unfold. Big winner walked away with nearly eight dollars.
I finished in the red after going double or nothing on what seemed like a no brainer trivia question.
No, it wasn't is a a 99.54 game better or worse than a 97.7 game.
It was this- Which city is further west? Lots Angeles or Reno?

[FloridaPhil]

So I guess Billy Ryan is another gambling self made millionaire, good for him.  Ask yourself who benefits if you play video poker?  The casinos?  Bob Dancer?  Billy Ryan?     Actually, you do if it brings you enjoyment that's worth the cost.   Who benefits if you actually believe you can beat the game and start upping your bets?   If you are 99% of the players who don't make money playing VP, you lose bigger.   When that happens you haul out your Dancer books and read them over and over again.  What are you doing wrong?   The man says more discipline is what is needed, so you charge full speed ahead.  You keep increasing your bet believing that the math won't let you down.  Sooner or later you will need financial, legal and medical advice.  Your wife (maybe your second or third) will divorce you and your kids will disown you.  Let's say you come out of your senses and stop before all that happens.  What you are left with is a serious case of depression.  Do you like the feeling you get when you lose?  How are you going to feel if you lose big enough to do some real damage?All I am advocating is approaching video poker as any other recreational activity.  I'm pretty sure I play more VP on a weekly basis than most members of this forum.  I could play golf, go fishing, go to a ball game or buy another classic car.  I choose to play video poker with my discretionary income and I get my money's worth.  I never believe any strategy will make me a long term winner, so I play the way that gives me the most personal enjoyment.  I play mostly quarters.  If I ever increase my bet it's never more than $20 at a time and I go back to quarters when that's gone.  I'm not afraid to play single coin to save money.  If I hit a single coin royal, it doesn't bother me because I know I saved a lot of money along the way to that royal.When you buy into the dream of VP profits you are buying into the fantasy built by the casinos and their agents.   If you are like Billy and have more money than you can spend, you can give it to the casino.  I choose to play cheap allowing me to give more money to my family, my church and more socially productive endeavors.  The casinos have enough money.   Why are Billy and Bob Dancer so against someone urging players to play cheaper?   What could they possibly have against 99% of players losing less money?  I'll leave their motives up to you.For those who are new to this forum, my disagreement with the Dancer philosophy is not new.   I would prefer to have civilized discussions, but the response has always been to "bully" any adverse opinions into submission.  As proof I offer Billy Ryan's response that is sure to come from this post.Mr. Dancer himself attempted to silence his forum critics many times.  Through insults and verbal intimidation he refused to discuss anything that did not have his personal seal of approval.   This didn't work, so he went on vacation.  Billy Ryan took up his banner and has now become Bob Dancer Jr.  I never had any problem with the idea that playing the best games better saves money.   My problem is the promise that regular players can make money playing VP just by adhering to his strategy.   The reason this is flawed is because luck is such a big part of your VP results.  If you don't hit the right jackpots on time, you will lose no matter how skilled or intelligent you are.  When luck is involved, it's called gambling not math. 

[edog743]

I will be 52 in may.

[Carcounter]

Phil, I think low rollers can make $7-10 dollars an hour in Vegas playing quarter full pay deuces at 100.76. Maybe do a little better occasionally, so it is not impossible. The question is why would you want to do that? I've thought about what it would take for me to move to Las Vegas and play for profit. I'm 65, have a fully funded retirement plan and could do it if I wanted. I think Bob once said that if you had a starting bankroll of 100k, you could maybe make 50k per year. He might be right, but again, at what price heathwise and otherwise? He admitted that he was up to 245Lbs. at one point. Not even close to being worth it from my standpoint. I wonder what happened to some pros like Frank Kneeland, who was perhaps the smartest one out there. Haven't heard from him in a while.

[billryan]

Phil, I think low rollers can make $7-10 dollars an hour in Vegas playing quarter full pay deuces at 100.76. Maybe do a little better occasionally, so it is not impossible. The question is why would you want to do that? I've thought about what it would take for me to move to Las Vegas and play for profit. I'm 65, have a fully funded retirement plan and could do it if I wanted. I think Bob once said that if you had a starting bankroll of 100k, you could maybe make 50k per year. He might be right, but again, at what price heathwise and otherwise? He admitted that he was up to 245Lbs. at one point. Not even close to being worth it from my standpoint. I wonder what happened to some pros like Frank Kneeland, who was perhaps the smartest one out there. Haven't heard from him in a while.

You are close.
Quarter players can make about $8-10 an hour, plus cash from mailings ,cash back and comps.
Drop $50,0000 a month at my favorite casino and that's good for $150 cashback and perhaps another $150-$200 in mailings. That doesn't count occasional double point days and casino offerings or drawings. In less than a year, I've won $250 in free groceries twice, and a $35 gas card. I also took advantage of a gas promotion in Laughlin for a $125 in free play.
Rinse and repeat that at two or three casinos and you have the makings of a decent part time job.
To put things in perspective, I was paying $13,000 a year in property taxes on Long Island. Here my rent is $870 a month ,with a gated community, two great pools and a 24 hour gym, spa and community center. No state income tax. Moving here was a no brainer, if one did the math. IF one believes in Math, I suppose.
I'm not sure why you think sitting at a VP machine three hours a day is any unhealthier than sitting at a desk for eight hours a day and being able to make your own schedule is certainly less stressful.
Half my fun is networking with other players and finding promotions.
Found a bar a few weeks ago that had terrible pay tables, but a few hours a day had an ill conceived promotion that let you spin a wheel on a 5-K 4OAK.
Another month and I'll have lived here a year. It was a good year. I'm not yet where I want to be, but the roadmap is clearly marked.

[billryan]

No, Phil. What you are advocating is players play the game in a way that 100% eliminates the chances of them winning.
I realize logic isn't your strong suit, but try to follow.
Playing full coin returns 99.5 in a certain game.
Playing single coin returns 97.9 in the same game.
You accuse me of being a stooge for the casino but this is where your argument falls apart.
The casino plays for the long term. It would love it if sheeple everywhere played the Phil Fa La La La La.... La la la la single coin method. Their profits would skyrocket if everyone used your system. Maybe a few people would save money in any given hour or trip but long run they would pay dearly.
If anyone is unconsciously working for the casinos, it is you.
Call up any casino host. Tell them you want to come play single coin dollars on their VP machines and see how royally they will treat you.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BilllRyan]Quarter players can make about $8-10 an hour, plus cash from mailings ,cash back and comps.
Drop $50,0000 a month at my favorite casino and that's good for $150
cashback and perhaps another $150-$200 in mailings. That doesn't count
occasional double point days and casino offerings or drawings. In less
than a year, I've won $250 in free groceries twice, and a $35 gas card. I
also took advantage of a gas promotion in Laughlin for a $125 in free
play.
Rinse and repeat that at two or three casinos and you have the makings of a decent part time job.[/quote]Curious job for a gambling millionaire.  I would think you could afford a better apartment? I can make more money with $50,000 in the stock market than you ever will playing video poker and have something when it's over other than memories.  You're playing with a less than 1% edge and my returns are over 19% since last November.If some people make "chump change" playing full pay quarter VP in Vegas, all the better.  What I am talking about is risk vs. reward.  In one of Bob Dancer's last posts he referenced a $100,000 royal he hit while playing at a chain of gas station casinos.  He stated to me on numerous occasions that the reason I don't win is that I don't play big enough to take advantage of positive opportunities.  Playing bigger comes with bigger risks.   Most players don't have a steady stream of casino consulting fees and software/book royalties paying for their gambling.   Is the risk that VP math is going to make you $100,000 richer worth the potential cost?  Hardly.Let's get back to the question of strategy.  If we're both playing for peanuts, what difference does it make what strategy we use?   The difference between 100% perfect and totally blind quarter strategy is only going to be a few thousand dollars a year anyway.   I'm sure you spend more money than that on beer.   Who cares?  If you are trying to make a point each time you rebut my posts, knock yourself out.  As long as we both stick to small bets, no harm done.  Playing single coin accomplishes what I want it to.  It allows me to play longer while holding my losses to a minimum.  I rarely play single coin anymore.  Not because I think I'm giving up anything, but I enjoy hitting max coin royals and don''t mind paying a little extra if necessarily.  Players can make their own decisions on how best to spend their own money.  They don't need "strategy police" to make these decisions for them.  If you do what you do and it works, great!   Don't knock others for doing the same thing...