IS THIS TRUE?

[chattycattty]

if you guys want to discuss naked women on playing cards, that's your right, and I personally do not have a problem with it......but I have to query, why is it when I discuss what I want with respect to VIDEO poker (irregardless of whether you agree with what I am posting), I get lambasted by a handful of posters while everyone else sits idle and lets me be clobbered when in actuality many people clearly agree with a lot of what I have to say.I am just sayin'.........the hypocrisy of a select few here seems to know no bounds whatsoever.That being said, carry on with your dialogue regarding pornographic playing cards Seriously, DORIS>>>>> how do you feel about this topic?   as a female, do you feel uncomfortable???    Other posters here have, in the past, exhibited extreme sensitivity regarding such issues revolving around racial, sexual or social awareness.    This latest segue is puzzling to say the least.....


As I have stated before you bring it on yourself. This post of yours is a classic example. I have a sister in law that is constantly stirring the pot and no one wants to be around her. She reminds me of you. Tedlark, though he does go overboard sometimes, gave you some good advice in terms of understanding the meaning of civility.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]

  And the cards had naked ladies on them billyjoe?
No, but the swizzle sticks in our drinks had ladies' bottoms sticking in the air. Very classy.. [/QUOTE]

Actually found one that I still had, in the "Oh So Hip" Playboy glass, of course. BOTTOMS UP ..

[whyaskwhy]

whyaskwhy I guess I'll bite: what does writing a marker have to do with poker in a casino? I know what a marker is but can't a marker also be written for a person playing: craps, roulette, blackjack, pai-gow, or even slots and video poker?

The ante bet in video poker is the number of coins in when the deal button is depressed and a person can "pass" a few hands simply by knowing that the RNG is constantly churning out hands when a person is not playing a video poker machine. I guess short of "seeing" the RNG at work doing this, we just have to take the evil casino's word for it that this process is in fact happening.

Marker: the machine won't let you go negative. Why not? "Credits" in the real world are mostly negative.

Ante: VP doesn't make the player surrender one credit before making a bet and getting a draw.

I don't want the casinos to start charging an ante to play; I don't want another "resort fee."

I think that you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the EV as dictated by the paytable, which is a mathematical calculation of the return of that game, with optimum play, over time. This is almost always higher than the mandated minimum as stated in the regulations.

As with horse betting, the authoritative literature comes from players. The concepts of return on investment and expected value are sound principles for betting. But I wouldn't expect to win in court if I argued that insiders (such as horse trainers and their staff) plunk down huge bets on ready, dark horses. You see, the insider betting just "proves," yet again, that favorites come in at the expected percentages. Nevermind that the insiders are plundering the pools and crushing the pays for informed bettors who liked the dark horse based on past performances, workouts, equipment changes, and so on.

Absurdly long quad droughts, going years without royals, indicate the casino is rigging the game as it bets against you (by adjusting the pay frequency in their favor). Good luck taking to court a few notes hand-scrawled on stained napkins.

I have to disagree with you here. I have personally spoken with heads of various state gaming commissions, most recently the heads of both the Louisiana and Mississippi Gaming Commissions, while attending the Southern Gaming Summit in Biloxi, Mississippi in May. I asked very specifically for them to define Video Poker for me with regard to the manner in which cards are presented. They both replied that the cards MUST be presented as if dealt from a shuffled complete card deck. If they are not presented in this random way, that machine and casino is violating the state's gaming regulations.

All the people involved want VP to play just like a real card game. That's why the only players who are sophisticated enough -- and have enough machine time -- to tell if it's not . . . get banned, walked out, or soft-banned by being taken off the mailing list.

The University of Gambling is an expensive education. One superhero of video poker inspires thousands to pay their tuitions. The Bob Dancers of the world are unofficial ambassadors for the industry. They should get red-carpet treatment. Casino hosts should encourage VP players rather than poor-mouth the comps. Why not? The machines make a fortune off churn, mistakes, ruin, and so on. If there's any abuse going on, it's the casino abusing VP players.

If it looks fishy, sounds fishy, and smells fishy, it's probably fishy.

[DaBurglar]

now you're just showing your immaturity.do not address me again or i maybe i will have to go running to webman like you did. actually you didn't go running to webman,you went crying to webman.OH god no....PLEASE DORIS!!   Please dont!     I dont know what I would do if I could no longer come here and profess to the world how much I love atlantic city ......take pity on this poor crippled harvard graduate with two degrees who hates video poker in any other location except Las Vegas even though I cant seem to get out to Vegas because of said crippledness, and this is exceeded only by my contempt for CET and all that DEBT they carry.    I think they should hire Bob "shadow-Dancer' Dancer, dont you?   that might help.Promise me you wont tell webman how I expressed my disdain for naked women on playing cards....remember the only "CARD" I am interested in is crippled.   That being said, would you like to get together for drinks in  the REVEL before they close up that 2.5 BILLION dollar sinkhole?   We could toast the end of Chris Christie's political career and think of a new path for him to follow.......I think he'd make a great YOGA instructor, dont you?   

[DaBurglar]

[DaBurglar]

Nice pic Billyjoe!     I think I saw those for sale on EBAY last x-mas.....also the last erotica convention in AC had naked lady pez dispenser.     Maybe if I got doris one she'd like me more than she does now.I could sign the card "Love Francois"

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]whyaskwhy I guess I'll bite: what does writing a marker have to do with poker in a casino? I know what a marker is but can't a marker also be written for a person playing: craps, roulette, blackjack, pai-gow, or even slots and video poker?

The ante bet in video poker is the number of coins in when the deal button is depressed and a person can "pass" a few hands simply by knowing that the RNG is constantly churning out hands when a person is not playing a video poker machine. I guess short of "seeing" the RNG at work doing this, we just have to take the evil casino's word for it that this process is in fact happening.

Marker: the machine won't let you go negative. Why not? "Credits" in the real world are mostly negative.

Ante: VP doesn't make the player surrender one credit before making a bet and getting a draw.

I don't want the casinos to start charging an ante to play; I don't want another "resort fee."

I think that you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to the EV as dictated by the paytable, which is a mathematical calculation of the return of that game, with optimum play, over time. This is almost always higher than the mandated minimum as stated in the regulations.

As with horse betting, the authoritative literature comes from players. The concepts of return on investment and expected value are sound principles for betting. But I wouldn't expect to win in court if I argued that insiders (such as horse trainers and their staff) plunk down huge bets on ready, dark horses. You see, the insider betting just "proves," yet again, that favorites come in at the expected percentages. Nevermind that the insiders are plundering the pools and crushing the pays for informed bettors who liked the dark horse based on past performances, workouts, equipment changes, and so on.

Absurdly long quad droughts, going years without royals, indicate the casino is rigging the game as it bets against you (by adjusting the pay frequency in their favor). Good luck taking to court a few notes hand-scrawled on stained napkins.

I have to disagree with you here. I have personally spoken with heads of various state gaming commissions, most recently the heads of both the Louisiana and Mississippi Gaming Commissions, while attending the Southern Gaming Summit in Biloxi, Mississippi in May. I asked very specifically for them to define Video Poker for me with regard to the manner in which cards are presented. They both replied that the cards MUST be presented as if dealt from a shuffled complete card deck. If they are not presented in this random way, that machine and casino is violating the state's gaming regulations.

All the people involved want VP to play just like a real card game. That's why the only players who are sophisticated enough -- and have enough machine time -- to tell if it's not . . . get banned, walked out, or soft-banned by being taken off the mailing list.

The University of Gambling is an expensive education. One superhero of video poker inspires thousands to pay their tuitions. The Bob Dancers of the world are unofficial ambassadors for the industry. They should get red-carpet treatment. Casino hosts should encourage VP players rather than poor-mouth the comps. Why not? The machines make a fortune off churn, mistakes, ruin, and so on. If there's any abuse going on, it's the casino abusing VP players.

If it looks fishy, sounds fishy, and smells fishy, it's probably fishy.[/QUOTE]
You obviously have strong opinions in this matter, but from this post, I honestly can't say what you believe. Are you saying that all VP is rigged, or that VP gurus like Bob Dancer are bad because they attempt to make us better players on honest machines?

Oh well, I guess I will just fill my Playboy glass with a little Makers Mark, and play with my swizzle stick.

[olds442jetaway]

Oh well, I guess I will just fill my Playboy glass with a little Makers Mark, and play with my swizzle stick.

     I hope you have some help with that

[whyaskwhy]

You obviously have strong opinions in this matter, but from this post, I honestly can't say what you believe. Are you saying that all VP is rigged, or that VP gurus like Bob Dancer are bad because they attempt to make us better players on honest machines?

I respect players like Bob Dancer who figured out how to lose as little as possible while trying to win as much as possible.

Look, fellas, I'm not all that creative or inventive, but even I can see a way to rig video poker (while making its own test program spit out totally random results). The idea of using digits of pi isn't mine; that's how the Commodore 64 RNG worked way back in the early '80s. All I thought up was using very few digits to stack the deck. I'm sure that programmers of quarter video arcade machines thought up plenty of other ways to make games seem random while guiding players to "Game Over" as quickly as possible.

Didn't video poker grow out of the video arcade industry? Don't you think the writers of video poker games borrowed heavily on code already written for video games -- if for no other reason, to save themselves a lot of work? Didn't they continue to update the code the same way: in bits and pieces rather than reinventing the game from scratch every time technology allowed for faster processing of more data?

Here's a simple question along the same lines: did any state regulator, anywhere, ever write and encode and debug and use his own homemade test program for IGT's Game King? My guess is they use the test program IGT loaded on the machines for them. Without incontrovertible evidence of independent testing, we all rely on the say-so of industry PR and politicians and Indian chiefs.

Certainly you guys must have read about the player-tracking software casinos now use. Ask for a food comp, and the near-minimum-wage kid behind the counter can see every cash-in and cash-out and how much you're ahead or behind for any time period.

Euros contain RFID chips and are tracked every time they pass through banks (and casinos are banks). We must believe the new US currency, with its large areas of metallic foil to act as antennae, are also tracked by casinos. Perhaps even by the bill acceptors at every slot machine. The technology to read serial numbers has been around for decades -- so currency wouldn't have to contain RFID chips for bills to be tracked. I'm just saying they have the capability to track how much you're churning even if you always cash out the paper tickets. To avoid having your churn tracked, you'd have to always insert bills that came from somewhere else. In other words, the casinos force you to do a small-scale version of money laundering -- which is what they supposedly set up money tracking to prevent.

RFID tracking is now cheap and commonplace. Walmart, Wynn, and the local criminal gang can easily know how much money we're carrying in our pockets, our drivers' license numbers, credit card numbers and balances, and every other bit of personal information about us. Metals are not opaque to all frequencies, so having an aluminum wallet is no better than sucking a pacifier.

The argument about whether a RNG is "random" is decades behind the current issues facing VP players.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=billyjoe]You obviously have strong opinions in this matter, but from this post, I honestly can't say what you believe. Are you saying that all VP is rigged, or that VP gurus like Bob Dancer are bad because they attempt to make us better players on honest machines?
Look, fellas, I'm not all that creative or inventive, but even I can see a way to rig video poker (while making its own test program spit out totally random results). The idea of using digits of pi isn't mine; that's how the Commodore 64 RNG worked way back in the early '80s. All I thought up was using very few digits to stack the deck. I'm sure that programmers of quarter video arcade machines thought up plenty of other ways to make games seem random while guiding players to "Game Over" as quickly as possible.

Here's a simple question along the same lines: did any state regulator, anywhere, ever write and encode and debug and use his own homemade test program for IGT's Game King? My guess is they use the test program IGT loaded on the machines for them. Without incontrovertible evidence of independent testing, we all rely on the say-so of industry PR and politicians and Indian chiefs.
[/QUOTE]
From my understanding, what is being tested by state gaming boards is whether the CERTIFIED programming of the RNG has been tampered, or whether additional programming has been added AFTER it has left the manufacturer, such as IGT. I actually spoke with an IGT programmer at the Southern Gaming Conference this year on this very point.

We all concede that it is just bits and bytes, and that anything is possible. The Gaming Boards provide a certification to the manufacturer on that machine, saying that it is operating consistent with the state regulations, based on testing disciplines at the time of manufacture. The field force then tests the machine for any programming augmentations or tampering once it is in the casino. Both Mississippi and Louisiana test EVERY machine in their state's casino at least once a year, per the heads of the respective state Gaming Commissions.

So, how long would IGT, WMS or Ballys be allowed to manufacture VP machines if they designed them contrary to the state regulations?