How do you interpet this?

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar you are correct in asserting that "the possibility that the options and screens billyjoe described are NOT the only screens available or the only way that a machine can be set or adjusted to meet a casino's business needs and goals."   However. I would say that you erred in saying that WE should leave open. The correct phrase in this context would be simply to say that: The possibility should be left open that; the options and screens billyjoe described are NOT the only screens available or the only way that a machine can be set or adjusted to meet a casino's business needs and goals.   There is a gargancuan difference between the terms: possibility; probability; likelihood; certainty; and, absolute. Obviously of these phrases possibility is the weakest of them and thusly would offer the broadest spectrum of thinking. An example I have previously used was regarding the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series: "It is possible for the Cubs to win the World Series." The probability that the Chicago Cubs will win the World Series is low. The likelihood of the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series is non-existant. It is a certainty that the Chicago Cubs will not win a World Series. It is an absolute fact that the Chicago Cubs will not win a World Series.   The point of the above exercise is to abmit that, yes; there may be a probability but it is such a low probability compared to likelihood, certainty, and absolute.   Edited to add: Possibility weighed against: legality and criminality.

[Vman96]

But VMAN, Nevada calls Video Poker "VIDEO POKER" in its game regs, not just euphemistically "Gaming devices".  

Please quit spewing BS. I am really, really, really getting tired of your lies.

Please show me where the exact phrase "video poker" is written in this entire 412-page document?

http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocume ... entid=2957

But in a huge twist of irony, New Jersey actually uses the phrase "video poker" within their regulations.    

Now even though Nevada never uses "video poker" as a definition, "video poker" is random and cards are equally probable by this law:

Sec. 14.040 2. (b)
For gaming devices that are representative of live gambling games, the mathematical probability of a symbol or other element appearing in a game outcome must be equal to the mathematical probability of that symbol or element occurring in the live gambling game. For other
gaming devices, the mathematical probability of a symbol appearing in a position in any game outcome must be constant.


And in New Jersey, video poker is random and cards are equally probable by this law:

From § 13:69E-1.28A Standards for the approval of a slot machine game

Hyperlink can be found from this disaster:

http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/njcode/


(b) Except as otherwise provided in this section, all winning combinations used in achieving the minimum theoretical RTP for each slot machine game shall be available on each play that requires a wager.

plus

g) A slot machine game that requires skilled strategy choices, such as video poker, shall: (Look! New Jersey actually uses the phrase "video poker", unlike Nevada!)

1. Have its theoretical RTP calculated based upon the player exercising optimal strategy during game play;

2. Disclose optimal strategy to achieve the highest theoretical RTP; or

3. Provide mathematically sufficient information for the patron to derive optimal strategy in order to achieve the highest theoretical RTP.

Point 3 is the most important here. That is mathematically equivalent to...

Sec. 14.040 2. (b)
For gaming devices that are representative of live gambling games, the mathematical probability of a symbol or other element appearing in a game outcome must be equal to the mathematical probability of that symbol or element occurring in the live gambling game. For other
gaming devices, the mathematical probability of a symbol appearing in a position in any game outcome must be constant.

I'm still waiting on someone to disprove this equivalence.

[BillyJoe]

So, children, what have we learned from the last few, and other, posts on this subject?
1) IGT manufactures VP machines that are tested, certified and sealed before being delivered to casinos. Any changes require re-certification.
2) Options exist on screens that allow the casino to select from a pre-established set of payback percentages that are consistent with gaming laws and regulations. These setup selections are then displayed on the paytable.
3) Both Nevada and NJ regulations prohibit casinos from altering the manner in which the game is set and played.

[BillyJoe]

On IGT, I've seen a dozen or more games shown as being available, but as few as one game selected for play. Usually, the most popular, as selected by the games manager.
After selection of the game(s), a sub screen appears where the tech can do a multitude of things including: Set the payback of each game within the minimum allowed by the legal jurisdiction they operate under and the minimum they think they can get away with from their players. Think 6/5 on cruise ship. Don't get me wrong, although not listed as "full pay" it is there as well,+100%, but hardly ever chosen.

As an aside, the chip/RNG is not readily accessible and has tamper proof tape across it. I learned this after a really big progressive win some time ago, when they basically tore down the machine to verify it was still in place.
Yes CK - the 'full pay' option does exist. I saw it in Vegas once - at New York New York, several years ago. There was one VP machine that, obviously, was set up 'incorrectly' by a tech. It had a 10/7 paytable for DDB, well over 100%. One man was playing it, and refused to leave it. He had his wife come in and sit at it when he needed a break. The casino finally caught on, and unceremoniously insisted that he cash out, and then shut the machine down for maintenance.

Also, the chip inspection happened twice to me, both times in Louisiana. The clip level for inspection there is $10k. You are right - a lot of the machine needs to be torn out to see the chip, with it's seal. It took some time, but of course, I finally got paid.   

[DaBurglar]

Please quit spewing BS. I am really, really, really getting tired of your lies.

Please show me where the exact phrase "video poker" is written in this entire 412-page document?

http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocume ... entid=2957

.did you do a boolean search or did you actually read all 412 pages?    as opposed to doing what else?Only thing more neurotic and obsessive than my relating the statistically abnormal results I continue to see in AC is the lengths a certain clique of you will go to absolutely prove that I am either misinterpreting what is happening or that I am flatout a .....<wait for it>  ...LIAR!!I could have sworn, the last time someone poster a portion of the nevada regs that it specifically said "VIDEO POKER"....perhaps I did indeed confuse it with NJ regs which do indeed say VIDEO POKER.So well done Vman, you can now go back to your 5 cent video poker "hobby" with a sense of .....sense of.....oh hell I dont know, whatever it is you get.....dog knows you got the time for it obviously.....oh my goodness, my pants are smoldering.....and my nose is growing.....

[shadowman]

I see nothing has changed since my last visit. DaBurglar is still living in his own fantasy world.

[edog743]

Welcome back Shadowman

[Tedlark]

  I have always prefered tomorrowland to fantasyland shadow. But please remember that "It's a small world afterall."

[royal flush]

tell him you missed 212 1 card royal draws in a row