Strategy for earning comps

[DaBurglar]

I can only answer for one casino in Ct. and that is Mohegan Sun. Although it is a small sign, they clearly mark all vp machines that do not pay Momentum Dollars. You still earn status or tier points on those machines though. I play them a lot because the paytables are in the 99% or better range for most games. If you can track down the right person that actually knows anything, they will tell you how many dollars you have to cycle through a vp machine or a slot machine for that matter to earn 1 Momentum Dollar worth a dollar in casino money. Getting an exact answer on earning status points is a little more difficult, but they pretty much match 1 for 1 on the machines that do pay Momentum Dollars. You have to cycle through much more in a vp machine to earn 1 point than in a regular slot machine. Last time I checked, it was close to cycling close to 500 bucks to earn 1 Momentum Dollar and about 1 status point.good post olds....Resorts-AC, now owned by Mohegan Sun, is very similar to what you described here.

[BobDancer]

 
edited to add:   After I hit POST, I thought of a possible question to my last point about divulging comp/point info:   Does VEGAS/Nevada gaming regs require casinos to divulge to players exactly WHAT is required to earn points, comps, cashback  etc???    Obviously in New Jersey it is NOT a player's right to know this stuff.....is it different in Nevada?   Maybe Bob himself can answer this part.....



Casinos in Nevada are not required to reveal this information. And they can change it whenever they like.You can, however, make some educated guesses. If you record your coin-in, wins and losses, and note how big your mailers are, you'll come up with an estimate. Sharing information with other players who play similar games and stakes as you can help as well. Sometimes hosts will tell you things. They are, to be blunt, professional friends. If you politely phrase a question such as "how much do I need to play in order to earn a $200 dinner comp?" you'll sometimes get useful information.You can't expect casinos to lay it out like a menu. But smart players can often figure out a significant part of the structure if they try.

[Lucky Larry]

Coin In / point can easily be determined. Playing a $ a hand until the card shows one more point will let you know if you can't get the information from the casino. However; we've never played a casino that couldn't/wouldn't give us this information as we got our initial card or from their website/promotional materials.

We always consider how our play impacts comps since this often makes the difference in play return This past November playing at Coushatta (a recent new casino for us) and needing a new card the VIP representative told me I was only a few thousand points from the highest "black" VIP level. Reviewing the benefits we realized a huge benefit, instead of only 4¢ cash back/point at the current level - black VIP provided an incredible 10¢ in cash back/point. We immediately played sufficient Coin In to reach the VIP level. We now done the same for Sweet C so we now have 2 1/2 times more cash back than before.

[BobDancer]

Besides, as many of you yourselves have pointed out, BOB DANCER is allowed to do what he does by the casinos because, in their view, he attracts far more business for them that he himself could possibly earn for himself.   If this is not obvious to everyone by now then it should be...... .



For the most part, this is not true. The list of "playable" casinos in Las Vegas where my action is restricted is far greater than the number of playable casinos where my action is welcome.Bob

[olds442jetaway]

About 5 years ago I noticed that Mohegan Sun was changing everything under the sun from having vp machines that pay no points to employee layoffs, pay freezes, and cancelled bonuses, as well as a general restructure of everything under the sun ( no pun intended ) patron related. I decided not to trust answers involving comps and points and decided to do a little experiment myself. Most of the answere I received from employees were incorrect, but that is because they were given bad information as well. Anyway, I played one of the quarter vp machines that still paid points and found that 470 dollars in coin in was required to earn 1 point. The only booby trap I found was the points did not change on their own without removing your card and re inserting it. The good part was that even the cents changed not just the dollars so you only had to watch when you got close say 95 cents and remove your card and re insert more often until the change over to the next highest point. I did the same on dollar vp machines and found that both required 470 dollars cycled through to earn just 1 point. I think that figure still holds, but I am due to make another test just to be sure. The funny thing was I remember hitting a Royal worth 250 bucks with just a dollar bet while doing the test instead of getting paid 4,000 dollars. . I also found the regular slots required about 3-4 times less coin in to earn a point. About 300 machines up there still pay no regular points for the machines with the best paytables.

[alpax]

The period of time that olds mentioned was probably during the most trying time for in the casino industry. It also happened to be during the recession where people had not much or any disposable income to play. Some casinos still have not recovered from it, just like the job/housing market. I heard Mohegan Sun is just too big of a casino and those bigger they are the harder they fall quotes.

Sorry to hear about the shortpay royal, you had to do whatever it takes to maximize the point system. It stays with you for a very long time.

[wildman49]

For all of 2015 I am at 167,000 coin in playing systems other then max bet.So far 5 months in received $175 in gas cards, $1500 in free play, $500 in food vouches. Also 2 free rooms per month Sunday thru Thursday. I am down $140 for 2015 on more then 50 trips.Playing max bet is a fools game on the bad pay tables. You will never bet them. A system of min to max bet when called for in a system will let you play even plus the comps are a bonus!

[notes1]

For all of 2015 I am at 167,000 coin in playing systems other then max bet.So far 5 months in received $175 in gas cards, $1500 in free play, $500 in food vouches. Also 2 free rooms per month Sunday thru Thursday. I am down $140 for 2015 on more then 50 trips.Playing max bet is a fools game on the bad pay tables. You will never bet them. A system of min to max bet when called for in a system will let you play even plus the comps are a bonus!


 congrats on your positive YTD results, hope it continues. at 50 trips, your comps average $3.50/gas, $30/free play and $10 food, per trip.

[wildman49]

[QUOTE=wildman49]For all of 2015 I am at 167,000 coin in playing systems other then max bet.So far 5 months in received $175 in gas cards, $1500 in free play, $500 in food vouches. Also 2 free rooms per month Sunday thru Thursday. I am down $140 for 2015 on more then 50 trips.Playing max bet is a fools game on the bad pay tables. You will never bet them. A system of min to max bet when called for in a system will let you play even plus the comps are a bonus!


 congrats on your positive YTD results, hope it continues. at 50 trips, your comps average $3.50/gas, $30/free play and $10 food, per trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks Note, but the one you missed is $2.80 loss per trip, I like that one the best!

[BobDancer]

For all of 2015 I am at 167,000 coin in playing systems other then max bet.So far 5 months in received $175 in gas cards, $1500 in free play, $500 in food vouches. Also 2 free rooms per month Sunday thru Thursday. I am down $140 for 2015 on more then 50 trips.Playing max bet is a fools game on the bad pay tables. You will never bet them. A system of min to max bet when called for in a system will let you play even plus the comps are a bonus!

I have a difficult time taking your claims at face value. I've never met you (so far as I know) and certainly am not calling you a liar --- but results like the one you claim are extraordinarily rare.When you say 167000 coin in, do you mean $167,000? if so, only being down $140 means you're getting paid at a 99.92% clip --- while playing games that are presumably in the 97% range (I'm factoring "bad games" and "less than max coins" to get the 97%.) That just doesn't happen.Over a few trips, any kind of results are possible. Over 50 trips, your luck averages out quite a bit. Getting results 3% higher than the machines are pegged for over that many trips is "immaculate conception" kind of unlikely.There are those here who are willing to take your figures at face value. I'm not one of them. Money management systems (what you call min-to-max betting systems) aren't magical. If you bet sometimes at a 96% game (min bet) and sometimes at a 98% game (max bet), your results will hover around 97% --- less when you account for the errors generated because the strategy for a 250-for-1 royal is very different than the strategy for a 800-for-1 royal and anyone silly enough to be using such a system is unlikely to have both strategies memorized.Bob