How to prove my 76% "DUD" Rate

[Vman96]

So we have two possible events going on.1) All AC VP machines are rigged such that anyone in gaming control could see it.2) DaBurglar is lying, mistaken, or both.

Pretty much. And with his 75% non-paying hand rate, it should be so bad that most "regulars" would have stopped playing by now, or begin their own legal crusades.

And for your last session DaBurglar, it's a poor session, but still will occasionally happen on a random machine as well.

[sam434343]

Daburglar, If you know or have the phone number for the commission that regulates the casinos in NJ.  I will call them,you might have already but i will give them a call and ask them any question that you want me to and i might have some question i can think of to. Okay! I will also call the casino and ask them any question you want me to.Okay! They cant through me out have not been there i think over thirteen years.lol! But i might be able to get you some answer, just give me phone #s and alittle time to check it out. Sam

[sam434343]

Very short of full story. Ran into acquaintance, he is physics professor at major university. I ask him about computer chip in video poker machine and also said to him they are 99.999 random. Yes he already new this, I went on ask him even with 99.999%RNG could somebody play with this chip and have it cheat/rigged ect.ect. and also even if this chip was hook up to another computer and run check on this chip and not be able to detect it. I said can they? Yes chip can cheat and yes can go undetected by other computer checking chip. Now before all you expert video poker players get into a tiss. Here is short story of are talk, I ask him cheat/rigged 5% no 2%no he went on to say less than 1% and also a computer running a check on this this chip would not be able to detect this less than 1% cheating/rigged ect.ect. Now he explained this to me in much bigger words/terms/school/ect.ect But I did ask him is this how my basic understanding is on what you said and he said to me and he said yes.Me have headache!! LOL Sam.

[DaBurglar]

For anyone to accept claimed results, like 75% duds, a person would need to document every hand played. Until such a time DaBurglar chooses to do the necessary work the only conclusion that can be made is .... none.

Either do the necessary work or quit bombing this site with useless anecdotal claims. You might just learn something in the process yourself. After all, that is what you have claimed to be your goal.

Also, by doing this you may be able to identify machines that are rigged (if they exist) which would allow you to avoid them in the future. Non-random events often have detectable patterns.





 
 
 
You just love to cherry pick which of my points to respond to and when to ignore the issue in toto, you've been doing that ever since the day I showed up and you spent the first month responding to me under the absolute "brilliant" conclusion I was Mr Fa La La La La.... La la la la.
 
I have for most of my VP playing life "done the neccessary work" and documented hands that I play.  I stated this a long time ago.....even still, would you like me to "bomb" the site posting such dreck, listing every single hand and all associated details?? Of course, then your response would be "how do we know this is true and not erroneous or inaccurate or just freakin make believe?"    And what is your deal all of a sudden with "anecdotal accounts are now useless"?   What other accounts are there???   On a forum like this what do you propose, LIVE FEEDS or YOU TUBE VIDEOS???    EVERYONE here gives ANECDOTAL info when they post about trips or relate their results....Actually, you know what?  Up to now I thought, in spite of your air of superiority, that you were clearly an expert player.  I think your "anecdotal" claim of being a PROFITABLE player is total BS, how's that?
 
I first came to AC in 2009, and , AS I STATED about 20 times already, up to then I had a typical view of VP, considered myself a STRONG/near-expert player and although I cannot say I am definitely "profitable" over my life, I have had actual profitable years, and for my life time I am close to even, not counting the last year or so in AC  (and BY THE WAY for all you cynics out there who think I suck as a player, I have copies of strategy guides and cheat sheets for the games I usually play, and if I am ever stumped, which rarely happens, I have them stashed inside my w/chair's cushion.)    From March 2009 until around September of last year (2012), My results in AC were well below my previous 15+ years in Vegas and Nevada in general, but were still within acceptable ranges overall....nonetheless, I had noticed differences between AC and Nevada and began to suspect something....and then the bottom really fell out starting about 7 months ago and yielded this horrible dud rate which now has you all in a tizzy.
 
I only even shared this after the thread about paytables meaning nothing, which is true if you look at VP purely from a game of chance standpoint, when machines are "cold" or refuse to deal payable hands, the actual paytable is irrelevant.   This is OBVIOUS, and I sought to just cement the premise and contribute, albeit "ANECDOTALLY".   
 
I actually just supported this premise about paytables further in the last 2 days here in AC (monday may 6 thru Today, May 8)   There is a bank of 9/6 JOB machines in Caesars and the progressive jackpot on them actually reached an unheard of 1250 bucks, unheard of in that the meter on this bank is set painfully slow.   ANYHOW, I played these machines for 2 days, 4800 hands total (about $6000 coin in) and my losses were around $450 for a return rate well below the expected 99.52% of the machine (note that with the progressive jackpot taken into account the return is actually higher than 99.52...)    My actual dud rate for this session was a acceptable 61% but still further underscored that the paytable on this seemingly "favorable machine" didnt help me win.
 
 
Running a quick simulation of 300,000 hands on a PC all at once is NOT the same as playing in a casino, jumping from machine to machine in different casinos, doing this for 6-7 months and varying the length and time of each session.    My results over the past 6-7 months in AC are really not as incredulous as you people insist:   Suppose you witnessed a 4 hand set like this:
 
Hand #1  dud    Hand#2 2 pair  Hand#3 dud  Hand#4 dud    (nothing unusual here so far)  now continue....
 
Hand#5 dud  Hand#6 dud  Hand #7 Full House  Hand#8 dud    ...continue....
Hand#9 Pair of Jacks   Hand#10 dud  Hand#11 dud  Hand#12 dud
 
Now that is a 75% dud rate but amongst this small sample NOTHING appears out of whack......now further imagine streaks of 10, 15 even 20 or more nonpayable duds in a row (we've all had that happen from time to time right?)     And then you hit a streak where you catch a pair of Jacks or better 8 out of 12 times, then another streak of 10 duds, followed by the above detailed 12 hand sample pattern going on and on for a while, then more streakiness of duds for 10-15 hands and then winners 5 out of 6  etc etc etc......then imagine this repeating itself over and over on different machines in different casinos, and you might get a sense of some of what I experienced the past 6-7 months.  
 
I say this proves what I suspected, that VP in AC is just plain different (i.e. Worse) than Nevada and perhaps elsewhere.  Now what I am really trying to determine is WHY this is the case....is it by design or something more sneaky and nefarious.    I will address the WHY later on in a different thread because I have uncovered some new info this past few days in AC and I will be here a few more days.
 
 
SO ONCE AGAIN, LET ME OFFER TO "PROVE" all this......is ANYONE going to be in AC anytime in the near future?!?!?!?!?

[Eduardo]

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[shadowman]

You just love to cherry pick which of my points to respond to and when to ignore the issue in toto, you've been doing that ever since the day I showed up and you spent the first month responding to me under the absolute "brilliant" conclusion I was Mr Fa La La La La.... La la la la.

I never claimed you were Fa La La La La.... La la la la although you do tend to use the same kind of logic. If you choose to lie about simple things like this why should we believe anything you say?

I have for most of my VP playing life "done the neccessary work" and documented hands that I play.  I stated this a long time ago.....even still, would you like me to "bomb" the site posting such dreck, listing every single hand and all associated details?? Of course, then your response would be "how do we know this is true and not erroneous or inaccurate or just freakin make believe?"    And what is your deal all of a sudden with "anecdotal accounts are now useless"?   What other accounts are there???   On a forum like this what do you propose, LIVE FEEDS or YOU TUBE VIDEOS???    EVERYONE here gives ANECDOTAL info when they post about trips or relate their results....Actually, you know what?

There is a big difference between claiming machines are rigged vs. someone posting their results. The fact you don't seem to understand this is quite interesting. 

Up to now I thought, in spite of your air of superiority, that you were clearly an expert player.  I think your "anecdotal" claim of being a PROFITABLE player is total BS, how's that?

Silly, this has nothing to do with me.

This is about your claims of rigged machines. All I've been doing is trying to help you get past unprovable assertions and into evidence. It appears you resist doing that. Why is that? It doesn't help your case.

[BillyJoe]

Boy - am I glad that I was in Vegas when this thread got going..

[sam434343]

Daburglar, It would not surprise me if some of these experts on this site are not under the pay roll of Action Gaming Inc./= Video poker.com and even if they told me they were not I call them liars to there face, all they know how to do is bash you left and right they don't want the truth out there only what they say is right,what you say is all lies. I have called them out before any court in there state,they hide behind this forum, so I say they are under the pay roll of Action gaming inc./= Video poker .com You all know who you are that under the Action gaming Inc. and you have lawyers so use them, because I have lawyers to. Sam

[faygo]

DE JE VUE all over again.

[sam434343]

LOL!!LOL!! Yes! I would like to see this in a court of law to be settled once and for all. Sam